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#21
09-16-2006, 08:06 PM
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Re: MINRAIZIN\'! : $3/$6 6-Max
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[ QUOTE ] Calling is much better than raising IMO. [/ QUOTE ] How big a river bet are you calling? How often do you expect a mostly-unknown to fire that third barrell? [/ QUOTE ] Obviously you can be put to the test if a safe looking card comes up and he bets fairly strongly. You just have to make a decision, but to me raising the turn is a bit like saying you don't think you'll make enough correct decisions on the river. 3-barrelling with nothing is actually quite rare at 3/6, though a decent bluff card could come up here. Equally a scare care for villian could come up and they may check down a hand that would call your flop raise. Probably I'd call most rivers against a wild/active villian. Especially if they bought in short - hardly any really decent players do that. 
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#23
09-16-2006, 08:39 PM
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Re: MINRAIZIN\'! : $3/$6 6-Max
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[ QUOTE ] Equally a scare care for villian could come up and they may check down a hand that would call your flop raise. [/ QUOTE ] This may or may not be a good thing. [/ QUOTE ] Yes but hero's hand is one he wants to take to showdown, and not build the pot up. The point of the min-raise on the turn is not really to bluff or value-bet but to try to get to a showdown. I'm just saying that he may get there without having to call another substantial bet, even if villian has a slightly better hand (which I agree is unlikely in that villian is probably way ahead if he is ahead).
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#24
09-16-2006, 08:50 PM
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Re: MINRAIZIN\'! : $3/$6 6-Max
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[ QUOTE ] i prefer to call all the way down regardless of river though....imo he has something like JT or 99 or 77 a lot here [/ QUOTE ] How big a river bet are you calling? How often do you expect a mostly-unknown to fire that third barrell? [/ QUOTE ] i dont expect him to fire a third barrell that often unless ive seen him be especially crazy. i expect a large % of the time river goes check/check. as for calling if he does bet, it depends on timing and amount. im probably not calling more than 1/2 pot but it totally depends
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#25
09-16-2006, 11:10 PM
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Re: MINRAIZIN\'! : $3/$6 6-Max
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Equally a scare care for villian could come up and they may check down a hand that would call your flop raise. [/ QUOTE ] This may or may not be a good thing. [/ QUOTE ] Yes but hero's hand is one he wants to take to showdown, and not build the pot up. The point of the min-raise on the turn is not really to bluff or value-bet but to try to get to a showdown. I'm just saying that he may get there without having to call another substantial bet, even if villian has a slightly better hand (which I agree is unlikely in that villian is probably way ahead if he is ahead). [/ QUOTE ] My point is that if he has a worse hand that he'd call the minraise with, then we lose money each time a scare card freezes up the betting on the river.
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#26
09-17-2006, 12:27 AM
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Re: MINRAIZIN\'! : $3/$6 6-Max
Jim why not 250? seems stronger for minimal more cost
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#28
09-17-2006, 12:42 AM
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Re: MINRAIZIN\'! : $3/$6 6-Max
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[ QUOTE ] Jim why not 250? seems stronger for minimal more cost [/ QUOTE ] And we want it to seem stronger why? To make it less likely a weaker ten calls? [/ QUOTE ] No to make it less likely we get rebluffed because some people have the ability to spot minraises.
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#29
09-17-2006, 01:06 AM
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Re: MINRAIZIN\'! : $3/$6 6-Max
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No to make it less likely we get rebluffed because some people have the ability to spot minraises. [/ QUOTE ] He is WAY more likely to "take his odds" with spades or J9 vs a minraise than to jam over it after you called flop and minraised turn, if that is in fact what he has. Our flat call/minraise turn line may very well look very scary to him, as it looks like we are trying to keep him in with a huge hand, and doesn't look like a semibluff. Raising more obviously has the advantage of charging more if he has a draw, but I am not doing it because it "looks stronger" and im scared of him jamming. If Jim thinks its far more likely for him to have a hand like JT/QT/KT than a semibluff, and hed call the minraise but not the 250 because it looks "stronger", what would you prefer to do? I'm fine with Jim's play here.
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