Party Lobby is CPU hogging beyond control - help plz

[APerfect10]

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I don't see how. You can have a bigger database. That's pretty much it unless you do all those fancy postgre querries.

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Postgres is also A LOT faster; meaning faster imports and faster stat retrieval...

[XxPauloxX]

Same problem over here. I have PP consuming 80-95% CPU even while NOT PLAYING (3 MHz, 2 GB RAM). It is virtually impossible for me to play and use PT/PAHUD at the same time...

I am starting to think Party is deliberately doing this to force people into not using, as they stated in the e-mail response above, "other applications"...Hope this is not the case, because if it is then bye bye pp

[APerfect10]

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Same problem over here. I have PP consuming 80-95% CPU even while NOT PLAYING (3 MHz, 2 GB RAM). It is virtually impossible for me to play and use PT/PAHUD at the same time...

I am starting to think Party is deliberately doing this to force people into not using, as they stated in the e-mail response above, "other applications"...Hope this is not the case, because if it is then bye bye pp

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If your Party CPU is that high while not playing then it sounds like you arent using DeMonster. Use DeMonster and see what your CPU usage is then? If you're already using DeMonster how fast is your CPU?

I can say rather confidently that its not deliberate. Its a case of extremely poor design and implementation followed by years of adding things on withouth thinking about performance. To essentially fix the problem, they would need to do a complete redesign and start from scratch...

[Jefferds44]

Here's another update from Party. *sigh* I can't stand the generic answers. I would be thrilled if they could just reply something like; "Yes. We are aware that the current code base needs to be optimized. However, here are a few possible workarounds that could probably get you up and running smoothly..."

Below is quoted their 3rd reply and my comments regarding it.

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Please understand that it is not network latency issues. It is my local
machine that goes through the slowdown NOT the internet.

I have noticed however that in a bizarre twist the software actually gets
"faster" over time. After about 1 hour of running the software it gets
better. This is quite sporadic however, is there anything that you could tell me that might help me fight a workaround?

Any other ideas what might be the problem?

- Jeff

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----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:10 AM
Subject: Reply From PartyPoker.com [#5808027]


> With regards to your e-mail, we are sorry to learn that your system is
> slowing down. Your system configuration we must admit, is very good and
> you should not have issues of this sort while playing.
>
> We understand that this could be owing to the fluctuations over the
> internet. However, this should slow down only the PartyPoker.com software
> and not your whole computer. If the disk clean up and deleting the cookies
> and temporary internet files does not help, please check the number of
> concurrent programs you are running.
>
> Should that be high, please use as many less programs as you can. This
> should help you. Do get back to us for any further queries and we shall
> assist you.
>
> NOTE: Your PartyAccount username and password are confidential
> information. No one from the company will ever ask for your password in a
> phone call or email. Do not respond to any requests that ask for your
> password.
>
> Srinivas
> PartyPoker Customer Care
>

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[APerfect10]

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Here's another update from Party. *sigh* I can't stand the generic answers. I would be thrilled if they could just reply something like; "Yes. We are aware that the current code base needs to be optimized. However, here are a few possible workarounds that could probably get you up and running smoothly..."

Below is quoted their 3rd reply and my comments regarding it.


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Tell them that Party consumes 40% CPU while having an equivalent amount of tables open on PokerStars only consumes 4% CPU. See what they say then, lol....

[Jefferds44]

Hahaha... awesome. I'll do that. What's sad though is that it's absolutely true. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Shroomy]

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I don't see how. You can have a bigger database. That's pretty much it unless you do all those fancy postgre querries.

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Postgres is also A LOT faster; meaning faster imports and faster stat retrieval...

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you guys are right, postgres is faster and all the other stuff you said, but what he was saying is the postgres is running in its own process, it is basically another application running, if you use access PT or whatever, accesses the database in its own process, and doesn't need the overhead of interprocess comunication. In the same process doesn't mean faster, it just means different.

[APerfect10]

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you guys are right, postgres is faster and all the other stuff you said, but what he was saying is the postgres is running in its own process, it is basically another application running, if you use access PT or whatever, accesses the database in its own process, and doesn't need the overhead of interprocess comunication. In the same process doesn't mean faster, it just means different.

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You're thinking along the right lines but are semantically wrong. Postgres is faster in the sense that you can retrieve larger amounts of data much quicker; however, you are right, Postgres has its own processes and will consume more CPU (hence the reason) it is faster. The overhead of PT communicating with Postgres is marginable. The overhead lies in Postgres' advanced database schema, design, etc.

Anyways, not to argue semantics. I think everyone agrees that Postgres is the much better option for (the hardcore poker player) because of a multitude of reasons.

[Terry]

Pure guess, technically beyond my knowledge.

I wonder if this has something to do with the problem. Party continually and repeatedly does disk accesses of the files containing the scrolling ads in the lobby – like a few hundred times per second.

3483 8:09:58 PM PartyGaming.exe:1004 FASTIO_QUERY_STANDARD_INFO C:\Documents and Settings\me\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\index.dat SUCCESS Length: 311296

3484 8:09:58 PM PartyGaming.exe:1004 FASTIO_QUERY_STANDARD_INFO C:\Documents and Settings\me\Local Settings\History\History.IE5\index.dat SUCCESS Length: 81920

This is repeated over 300 times during 8:09:58 PM and 8:10:44 and 8:11:29, etc., etc.

Info from Filemon by Sysinternals. Maybe somebody who knows more about this stuff than I do would like to take a look.

[XxPauloxX]

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If your Party CPU is that high while not playing then it sounds like you arent using DeMonster. Use DeMonster and see what your CPU usage is then? If you're already using DeMonster how fast is your CPU?


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I wrote 3 MHz, but fortunately it is 3 GHz [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Actually I have been using DeMonster from the start (would probably have already left PP...or killed myself by now if I have not found that peice of software [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
However, if i play for an hour or so and then leave the tables, but continue mining CPU usage does not go down.

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I can say rather confidently that its not deliberate. Its a case of extremely poor design and implementation followed by years of adding things on withouth thinking about performance. To essentially fix the problem, they would need to do a complete redesign and start from scratch...

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I am in this case full of admiration for the sales/marketing people of the company developing the software. They have to be real good...almost the same magnitude as the developers SUUUUCK
PS. Thanks for your efforts to make DeMonster better [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]