River decision vs Antonio Esfandiari - Page 5

AceCR9 · #41 09-13-2006, 05:07 PM

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None of you think he has a hand like 4s5s? He could even have a hand like As4s or As5s. He could be calling turn for str8 and flush draw now.

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wouldn't a "play happy" agrro player like Antonio raise the turn with a big draw? From his Point of view hero could easily have a mid pp, so now the over card hits, he raises(possibly AI, depending on stack size). and makes hero most likely fold mid pp's.

as played I think your good on this river. I really like ck/cl OR as was suggested above making a weak block bet and calling his shove.

neon · #42 09-13-2006, 05:22 PM

My initial reaction was check-call all day.

Raptor almost has me convinced that bet-call is an equally viable option, since I agree that a player of Antonio's caliber is certainly capable of bluff-raising a weak river lead from OP w/ 44-88, which I think comprises a pretty large part of his range.

Only problem is, there's a pretty good chunk of his range that's now ahead of us, too; A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K3s, and of course big flopped hands like threes full and A2s and whatnot . . . So the bet-call line would be giving him at least an extra grand or so as opposed to check-calling . . . Guess it comes down to just how often he's gonna bluff shove the river if we bet like $600-$800, and I honestly think it's pretty close . . .

But I prolly still just check-call.

KRANTZ · #43 09-13-2006, 05:28 PM

neon- if he bets, he assumes you're going to call, no? so how often is he really going to bluff like this?

subblime · #44 09-13-2006, 05:48 PM

Seems like a lot of ppl are saying he is very aggro and will bluff given the opportunity. If we've decided to pay off his flush/nutz/etc, then might as well max out against his bluffs.

So something that looks like a blocking bet will more often get raised then a check (which could be a trap or just a hand that's committed to check-call). Make an obvious blocking bet and pay off the raise. If he raises here 100% of the time, we win.

poker1O1 · #45 09-13-2006, 05:48 PM

I like a 1/2 pot bet.
checking appears that you have a hand and what to show it down cheaply, but not worth value betting.
betting out appears that you might be trying to push him off a hand or that you have a very strong hand, and this is a very hard river for him to bluff raise you given the consistent strength you've shown throughout the hand.

neon · #46 09-13-2006, 05:52 PM

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neon- if he bets, he assumes you're going to call, no? so how often is he really going to bluff like this?

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If we check the river here, I definitely think Antonio's gonna fire off a bluff w/ a middling pocket pair some percentage of the time; that's a pretty nasty board for JJ-99, and not an easy call (as evidenced by everyone suggesting a check-fold w/ both AQ/AK in this spot) with AK, which together comprise a significant portion of hero's range . . .

FGators · #47 09-13-2006, 06:18 PM

Good table selection. I like a check/call here.

Ansky · #48 09-13-2006, 06:23 PM

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Good table selection. I like a check/call here.

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Yeah you're right just cause there is 1 solid player at the 6 max table I shouldn't sit.

Parlay Slow · #49 09-13-2006, 06:27 PM

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Good table selection. I like a check/call here.

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god you are such a f'n moron

innerpeace · #50 09-13-2006, 09:49 PM

in the situation you described, i prefer c/c. antonio is aggressive, at least in live games, especially when he has position. his firing range on the river is too large not to call a reasonable size bet. given that you've never played him before, i would avoid making a blocking bet because that smells of weakness and you don't have enough of a read to know how to react if he reraises you. there are two golden rules here: (1) bet only if you know what to do if you get raised (2) small hand / small pot.