so let me get this new WPEX thing straight

[DING-DONG YO]

Can you give us an idea? Over/under?

Over 50K licenses? Over 10K? Anything?

[Gregg777]

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Care to give us an idea of how many HUD licenses are floating around out there?

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Has the play at WPEX gotten a lot more donktastic since this last update?

Do you see any major differences?

[StellarWind]

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If this is a good idea, why haven't the other sites done the same?

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Don't make this argument. One thing that all successful ideas have in common is someone took the risk of trying them first. We'll see what happens and whether this was a good idea.

[Gregg777]

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Can you give us an idea? Over/under?

Over 50K licenses? Over 10K? Anything?

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It wouldn't give you a good idea anyway because GameTime+ is free.

PA HUD is far superior, but it isn't the only one out there.

[StellarWind]

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I also think you underestimate the fish. They may be fish, but that doesn't mean they are brain-dead. Any monkey can see how awesome rake-free poker is and can especially see it after they put in 20 or so hours there.

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I agree. Not all fish are completely oblivious to common sense. Especially since sports bettors are used to thinking about minimizing the vigorish.

Anyway, a fish with $1000 to lose this month can feed a lot more fisherman if 2/3 of his money doesn't wind up in the site's pocket via rake. Rake-free increases the effective fish supply even if it doesn't bring in more fish.

[jfk]

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...I think many players, myself included, long for a poker experience closer to what you get in a B&M. No pokertracker, HUD, other aids, etc. WPEX is providing that experience. Want to use PT/PA, go play somewhere else. Don't want to use it, you can play WPEX.

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...my thoughts exactly.

Bold move by WPX in keeping the games a fairly level playing field for all.

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Care to give us an idea of how many HUD licenses are floating around out there?

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Has the play at WPEX gotten a lot more donktastic since this last update?

Do you see any major differences?

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Same regular players that I've always seen are still playing there, and I love it.

[Gregg777]

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[D. Andrew]

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...I think many players, myself included, long for a poker experience closer to what you get in a B&M. No pokertracker, HUD, other aids, etc. WPEX is providing that experience. Want to use PT/PA, go play somewhere else. Don't want to use it, you can play WPEX.

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...my thoughts exactly.

Bold move by WPX in keeping the games a fairly level playing field for all.

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It is not going to be fair at all. Reading the dealer chat and replacing the player names is a simple task for someone with programing skills. Those who can do it will, the rest will be behind the curve. Now we have taken a skill outside the realm of poker and have put it into the equation. How can that be fair?

[MicroBob]

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Most statistics need more hands than you'll play in a single session to become useful. WPEX obviously did this to discourage HUD usage. That's fine, but I still feel they are doing more harm to themselves than good.

It's been said before. Nobody is going to play at WPEX just because they don't have names in their hand histories. However, there are many users who will not consider playing there or even leave now that they've made their stance clear because of it.

I believe PA Hud support for WPEX would bring more PA Hud users to WPEX than it would WPEX users to PA Hud. Therefore, it makes little sense for me to add support for them.

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This is interesting, I played at the site last night and GT+ worked just fine (except for that silly player 0 thing).

Again other sites allow people to change their screen names, why not throw a hissy fit over that?

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Wait, I thought the automated HH's on WPEX were not compatible with PT yet.
So you really CAN use it with PT??


Also - Pokerace, I disagree that the stats in a single-session can't be meaningful.
If somebody had 40 hands and is playing 40/10 then there are two possibilities:
- He is playing more hands than he should
- He got a good run of limp-able cards over that stretch

I really think the first is far more likely even with such a small sample as 40 hands in 1 session.


Same goes for somebody who is 15/1 after 40 hands. They are clearly not aggressive enough and there is a good chance they can be pushed around.


Yes, sometimes the stats can be deceiving in such a short-sample for one reason or another.
But, in my experience, a player who is 40/10 after 40 hands will have similarly crappys stats after 400 hands and after 4k hands.


VP and PFR seem to converge fairly quickly and you can get some general reads on your players even after just a few hands.


Even win-rate is a stat that can be worthwhile in a single-session if you feel that you can make adjustments vs. someone basedon how much they have won or lost recently. Sometimes it's difficult to notice somebody's balance or whether they have had a re-buy or two when you are playing 4 tables or more.


Again, it's not absolutely necessary to have these stats. I agree with some of the others on this.

Just disputing the idea that you can't gain anything meaningful on your opponents just off their single-session stats because I think that is extremely incorrect.