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Daniel Magix · #11 09-01-2006, 10:23 AM

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I don't like the limp. QQ is strong enough to lead out with shorthanded UTG I'd think. I'd bet out early rather than try to get tricky. Your plan might have also misfired if no one raised and suddenly, you got to a flop and saw an A or K.

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Yeah, I was aware of that risk, and if I wasn't VERY confident of the impending raise, I would have never done it.

TheGrifter · #12 09-01-2006, 10:23 AM

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You've represented Aces with your limp-raise, villain isn't worried about that. Do you need to know more?

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True, it's a little more clear to me now, a day later. But on the other hand, should I always just assume that every player at this small level can recognize the strength of the play I made? I've seen some pretty awful hands being hugely overplayed at this level.

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There are players who can have anything here, you generally know who they are within ten hands. If he is one of these call, otherwise dump it.

Follow · #13 09-01-2006, 10:23 AM

I don't see why a push is at all a losing proposition here. Villian seems like a new player (many pros will tell a newb to bet the same amount everytime to avoid bet tells), and I would read him for an AK-A10 in his range for a call.

You've got two hands that will beat you, KK and AA right out of the gates. But I think the frequency of him having those hands vs. something in the AK-A10 range is slim enough that a push is justified. I'm pretty sure he will call the push, just being who he is.

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Zameus · #14 09-01-2006, 10:24 AM

I think you played it well given your observation of his play. If he had AA or KK so be it. I'm assuming you lost the hand but that doesn't mean you played it poorly. Also, I don't think putting 45% of your stack in the pot preflop and folding to a scare card is the best move. Maybe if you had position.

Daniel Magix · #15 09-01-2006, 10:34 AM

Well, I guess the results are somewhat obvious by now, so I will post them...

Villian calls the push
Villian shows A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Villians wins of pot of $all-my-chips

I threw up a little bit in my mouth when I saw his Aces. Not because it was an astronomical pot, but because I am in the middle of my worst downswing yet, and that pot would have given me a nice profit and some much needed confidence.

That said, I still don't feel entirely bad about the way I played it. I still like my limp/reraise there, given the read I had on this villian. But I've got a lot to learn still, so thanks for the thoughts on this hand. I appreciate it.

Sidenote: I opened a second table after this hand, and within 6-7 hands on the two tables, I was dealt KK, AA, QQ, and AKs with a flopped nut-flush. With the help of this mini-heater, I ended up breaking about even for the night. Sad when a breakeven night is a brag post, ain't it?

TheGrifter · #16 09-01-2006, 10:37 AM

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I don't see why a push is at all a losing proposition here. Villian seems like a new player (many pros will tell a newb to bet the same amount everytime to avoid bet tells), and I would read him for an AK-A10 in his range for a call.

You've got two hands that will beat you, KK and AA right out of the gates. But I think the frequency of him having those hands vs. something in the AK-A10 range is slim enough that a push is justified. I'm pretty sure he will call the push, just being who he is.

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A push here is bad, trust me. badbadbad.

crookdimwit · #17 09-01-2006, 10:42 AM

All the more reason to remember the dangers of playing OOP. You get stuck in tricky situations like this when your options seem to shrink...

And yeah, sometimes a break-even night can feel like a great accomplishment after digging a deep hole early... Been there plenty of times...

Follow · #18 09-01-2006, 10:45 AM

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I don't see why a push is at all a losing proposition here. Villian seems like a new player (many pros will tell a newb to bet the same amount everytime to avoid bet tells), and I would read him for an AK-A10 in his range for a call.

You've got two hands that will beat you, KK and AA right out of the gates. But I think the frequency of him having those hands vs. something in the AK-A10 range is slim enough that a push is justified. I'm pretty sure he will call the push, just being who he is.

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A push here is bad, trust me. badbadbad.

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Daniel Magix · #19 09-01-2006, 10:48 AM

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All the more reason to remember the dangers of playing OOP.

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Wouldn't that be more of a reason to try for a play like I did? I knew I was OOP and if I could take it down PF with a play like that, wouldn't that make sense?

Dan Bitel · #20 09-01-2006, 11:32 AM

Daniel,

Limp/reraising QQ sucks bad. In fact, its sucks a lot in general (LRR).

I also don't like your read on the villain. The fact he raises evereytime he enters the pot is usually a sign of a good player, not a bad one. More important is the amount of pots he was entering.

Like others have said, pushing here is really bad.