3/6: 76s flops second pair on the button.

TripleH68 · #1 08-30-2006, 02:48 PM

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BB is my nemesis at this table. A little loose preflop, average postflop but he has been getting lucky tonight.
Loves to wait until the turn to raise.

UTG+1 is 24/13/1.85. I realize suited aces are likely in his range this hand,
but he could easily be making a play with a number of different holdings.

CO is average/weak.

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, CO calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+1 raises, CO folds, Hero 3-bets...

What's my play from here?
Suggest an alternate line?

gobbledygeek · #2 08-30-2006, 03:35 PM

* remember, you really are dealing with a clueless noob *

What was the original flop bet for, to help fold flush draws (which is perhaps why UTG raised to fold out CO)? I just see this as such a weak hand now that we have no flush or straight draws, will most likely see some overcards flop and only have 5 outs to draw to (which we probably won't have odds for on the turn). In such a small pot I probably just would have checked (is this a total waste of being on the button?) and maybe bet on the turn if checked thru again otherwise fold. I dunno, maybe my play is way too weak and I guess I would like to know where my 7s stand, but not for this pot.

GcluelessnoobG

ZPinhead · #3 08-30-2006, 04:15 PM

The way I see it you gotta go back to the reason that you would play a mid-small suited connector:

1. Low straight possibilities
2. Flush possibilities
3. 2 pair

You ended up with none of these and only mid pair w/no kicker and only minimal draws. The bet on the flop makes sense, more trying to make a stab at the pot because you might have the best hand (as long as no more cards come). With the C/R by UTG and your 3-bet, you might as well consider yourself on a stone cold bluff and with 2 players yet to act you've got yourself in a spot. Unless one of them drops (BB) and you can convince the other that you have a monster, you're humped. Considering the amount in the pot PF, I would say that you were way better off just dumping this turkey after the UTG raise.

Ragone04 · #4 08-30-2006, 04:24 PM

I'd probably just check this tiny pot on the flop and hope to catch something on the turn.

buhler26 · #5 08-30-2006, 04:45 PM

First, I think you could make an argument for raising PF. That's dependent on table image though. You could use another lmper or two also.

As played, I like the flop bet because you could have the best hand. Giving a free card here is pretty bad IMO. After you are called and then raised, I call the raise and fold the turn UI.

otnemem · #6 08-30-2006, 04:58 PM

If he just calls the flop three-bet and checks the turn, I bet the turn and try to get a free showdown. If he just calls the three-bet and bets out on the turn, I fold. If he just calls the three-bet and check raises the turn, I fold (screams set). If he caps the flop, I call and fold the turn if I don't improve.

EDIT: I pretty much completely disagree with everyone else's advice here, especially the argument for raising a limped pot with a very marginal suited one-gapper. This isn't six-max.

jamie322 · #7 08-30-2006, 05:05 PM

I like the flop bet, representing the ace and with chances to improve. UTG+1 could just be building the pot for a flush draw but without a made hand. Don't like the 3-bet even though it could push out bb. If capped I'm paying one more to see the turn but folding the turn UI.

freedom18 · #8 08-30-2006, 05:27 PM

check the flop, but since u didint fold to the c/r reverse implied odds SCREAM for attention let alone [censored] pot odds ahahahahahahaa RECIPE for disaster

fishyak · #9 08-30-2006, 05:42 PM

IMO, 3 bet on the flop is total spewage. You are down to 3 players w/o the raise. You already have button position. There is nothing to buy from the raise AND you have already been c/r'ed once. Testasterone overdose.

67s is good for straights and flushes, but NOT after this flop. I check the flop and fold the turn if bet into and u/i. This dog barks.

TripleH68 · #10 08-30-2006, 09:06 PM

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IMO, 3 bet on the flop is total spewage. You are down to 3 players w/o the raise. You already have button position. There is nothing to buy from the raise AND you have already been c/r'ed once.

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What if the 3-bet knocks out BB and slows down UTG+1 who could very well be holding a hand I beat?

If you feel UTG+1 does not have an ace, then how would you proceed here?

Note: that this is not a 'standard' play for me.