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Old 08-29-2006, 05:40 PM
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While it's not the worst play, it's probably the worst play in the most important spot in WSOP history. 1979, Bobby Hoff and amateur play Hal Fowler are heads up. Fowler was already on the good end of a ridiculous cold deck, when in heads up play on a 3-diamond board Hoff held K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]-X[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] to Folwer's A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]-X[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Holding 67o, Fowler called Bobby Hoff's raise, and called his pot-sized flop bet on a 35J rainbow board. He gleefully called Bobby Hoff's all in when the 4 hit the turn, and Hoff disgustedly mucked his pocket Aces. When people talk about the worst ME champions as far as poker skill, he is often forgotten. I think he makes Robert Varkonyi look like Stu Ungar
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Old 08-29-2006, 05:55 PM
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Default Re: Worst plays you\'ve seen in the history of ESPN WSOP?

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Ted Lawson calling Freddy Deeb's river bet with nothing, thinking he had a straight he couldn't possibly have given the board, in the 2004 $5K PLO. That takes the cake for me.

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Agree with this as the worst ever, but you have the details wrong.

3 handed PLO

BB = Deeb 830K
SB = Lawson 490K
Button = Watkinson 240K

Blinds ?

Watkinons calls with Ks Qd Th 6c
Lawson calls with 9s 8d 8s 5c
Deeb checks with Jc Jh Jd 2d

Flop = Ts 7h 4c

Check Check Check

Turn = Ts 7h 4c Td

Check, check, Deeb bets an unkonown ammout, Watkinson raises some ammount (looks big, probably pot)

Now comes the worst play in WSOP history ...

Lawson squints at the board and takes a good long look ...

Lawson : Raise. Whatever he (Watkinson) has left.
Deeb: How much are you raising? I'm still in the hand.
Lawson All right, I'll raise 100,000.

Deeb folds. Lee calls all-in. Final pot = 550K.

Lawson: I got a straight.

He lays down his cards and nobody corrects him.

River = Ts 7h 4c Td 2h

Dealer pushes the chips to Watkinson. Lawson, looking bewildered, stops the dealer and spreads out the cards.

Lawson : 7, 8, 9, Ten ...
Dealer : That's only 4 cards
Lawson : Oh, you're right. Ai, yai, yai. What am I thinking, oh my god ...
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Old 08-29-2006, 06:45 PM
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I am shocked that nobody has mentioned the 2006 WSOP Circuit event that Kido Pham luckboxed his way into winning yet. This is the event that made me so sick I almost gave up watching tournament poker on TV.

Final table, down to about 7 players, he is the #2 stack and 2005 champ Joe Hachem is the chip leader.

Blinds at about 2-4k or 3-6k, a guy raises to 16k. Kido Pham re-raised to 50k with J-10(offsuit). . .

Then, Joe Hachem came over the top of BOTH of them, re-raised to 150k with KK. His total stack, as chip leader, is about 650k. . .

Now, after the first raiser folds, Kido Pham, with J-10, as the #2 stack at the table (about 575k+), <font color="red">GOES ALL-IN, vs. a guy re-raising TWO raisers, against the only guy at the table who can bust him. </font> [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Flop was J-J-x, the rest is history. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 08-29-2006, 06:55 PM
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Default Re: Worst plays you\'ve seen in the history of ESPN WSOP?

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While it's not the worst play, it's probably the worst play in the most important spot in WSOP history. 1979, Bobby Hoff and amateur play Hal Fowler are heads up. Fowler was already on the good end of a ridiculous cold deck, when in heads up play on a 3-diamond board Hoff held K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]-X[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] to Folwer's A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]-X[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Holding 67o, Fowler called Bobby Hoff's raise, and called his pot-sized flop bet on a 35J rainbow board. He gleefully called Bobby Hoff's all in when the 4 hit the turn, and Hoff disgustedly mucked his pocket Aces. When people talk about the worst ME champions as far as poker skill, he is often forgotten. I think he makes Robert Varkonyi look like Stu Ungar

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You know Ungar also won his first bracelet by flat-calling a flop bet with just a gutshot draw, right?
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Old 08-29-2006, 07:03 PM
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I am shocked that nobody has mentioned the 2006 WSOP Circuit event that Kido Pham luckboxed his way into winning yet. This is the event that made me so sick I almost gave up watching tournament poker on TV.

Final table, down to about 7 players, he is the #2 stack and 2005 champ Joe Hachem is the chip leader.

Blinds at about 2-4k or 3-6k, a guy raises to 16k. Kido Pham re-raised to 50k with J-10(offsuit). . .

Then, Joe Hachem came over the top of BOTH of them, re-raised to 150k with KK. His total stack, as chip leader, is about 650k. . .

Now, after the first raiser folds, Kido Pham, with J-10, as the #2 stack at the table (about 575k+), <font color="red">GOES ALL-IN, vs. a guy re-raising TWO raisers, against the only guy at the table who can bust him. </font> [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Flop was J-J-x, the rest is history. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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This is terrible, but Kido made at least a dozen similarly terrible plays, so it does not surprise me in the least.

He and Doug Lee were vying for the title of "worst hand reader of all time" because their method of hand reading was to basically ALWAYS assume that their opponents were holding mediocre hands that couldn't stand a ton of heat.
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Old 08-29-2006, 07:15 PM
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While it's not the worst play, it's probably the worst play in the most important spot in WSOP history. 1979, Bobby Hoff and amateur play Hal Fowler are heads up. Fowler was already on the good end of a ridiculous cold deck, when in heads up play on a 3-diamond board Hoff held K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]-X[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] to Folwer's A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]-X[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Holding 67o, Fowler called Bobby Hoff's raise, and called his pot-sized flop bet on a 35J rainbow board. He gleefully called Bobby Hoff's all in when the 4 hit the turn, and Hoff disgustedly mucked his pocket Aces. When people talk about the worst ME champions as far as poker skill, he is often forgotten. I think he makes Robert Varkonyi look like Stu Ungar

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You know Ungar also won his first bracelet by flat-calling a flop bet with just a gutshot draw, right?

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Yeah, but he was getting like 25-1 implied if he hit, whereas Fowler called 25% of Hoff's stack, which was ~5% of his own, I think.
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Old 08-29-2006, 07:18 PM
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Kantor vs Raymer ... Kantor rivers a flush

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I hope you're kidding, This isn't in the top 1000 worst plays ever televised. He had two overs, a flush draw, and could also have been bluffing the str too.

now his REREREraise with K5o on a KT7 board vs Barch IS in the Top 10.
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Old 08-29-2006, 07:29 PM
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I am shocked that nobody has mentioned the 2006 WSOP Circuit event that Kido Pham luckboxed his way into winning yet. This is the event that made me so sick I almost gave up watching tournament poker on TV.

Final table, down to about 7 players, he is the #2 stack and 2005 champ Joe Hachem is the chip leader.

Blinds at about 2-4k or 3-6k, a guy raises to 16k. Kido Pham re-raised to 50k with J-10(offsuit). . .

Then, Joe Hachem came over the top of BOTH of them, re-raised to 150k with KK. His total stack, as chip leader, is about 650k. . .

Now, after the first raiser folds, Kido Pham, with J-10, as the #2 stack at the table (about 575k+), <font color="red">GOES ALL-IN, vs. a guy re-raising TWO raisers, against the only guy at the table who can bust him. </font> [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Flop was J-J-x, the rest is history. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Reading this thread, I forgot all about this. I do remember puking though.
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Old 08-29-2006, 08:00 PM
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I thought that most people here don't think that Tommy Reed really had a set of 10's. I remember reading many posts claiming that the hole-cam didn't get a clear shot of his cards, and ESPN just took his word for it, based on his comment after the hand was over.
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Old 08-29-2006, 08:04 PM
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Well this one might be a top 25 (ok ok I know not WSOP but WPT). That fella that turned quad kings and immediatly went all in.
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