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Old 08-18-2006, 09:41 AM
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Default Re: Easy preflop question

I like a call and play some poker but I like a raise too. Both are good. I usually only call this.
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Old 08-18-2006, 09:52 AM
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No way I reraise without a read.
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Old 08-18-2006, 11:02 AM
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I voted raise initially, but then realized that the button coldcalled the raise, which I didn't see before. I agree w/ Ticks that HU you raise this OOP, but 3-handed I think you call to avoid re-opening the betting and to keep the pot size manageable. This way we can jam the pot if the flop is low or we hit a set, and if the flop is AK7 we can easily get off our hand.

Of course, a read that UTG and/or button are weak and/or will fold to a PF RR could change my answer, but I think the above is my default.
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Old 08-18-2006, 11:11 AM
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Fwiw I just call even without button in.
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Old 08-18-2006, 11:12 AM
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I don't get this - why do we want to see a flop when any overcards and subsequent action suck for this hand? Also, when we get a flop of all unders we have no idea where we are against an aggressive villian - do you fold to the cbet, the turn bet or are we just calling down and waiting to get shown some jacks.
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Old 08-18-2006, 11:14 AM
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I'd call here, maybe sometimes raise IN POSITION. But you're just getting yourself into silly trouble by reraising. And as said, you have relative position in the hand postflop with a hand that can make sets or whatever...
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Old 08-18-2006, 11:40 AM
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I would call here unless I had at least 160 in my stack, in which case I'd make it 20. I don't want to ruin my implied set odds preflop. (8*20=160)

Now it is true that if both players called the 20 dollar reraise I could make 160 (my stack of 100 + Button's 60) but that is a little thin. It does have some real showdown value too, so I guess that could make up the difference.

Maybe a little raise to 15 that both players might be more likely to call? I'd only need 120 then. Seems yucky.

No, I'm calling here with this 100BB stack and no reads.
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Old 08-18-2006, 11:57 AM
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I'm squeezing with much worse here.
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Old 08-18-2006, 12:01 PM
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Default Re: Easy preflop question

FYP

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you guys are complete nits, jesus. are you only re-raising JJ-AA or something?

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yes and maybe AK just to be frisky...
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Old 08-18-2006, 12:06 PM
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Default Re: Easy preflop question

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I'm squeezing with much worse here.

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Oh, sure, but that's read dependant. In reality, I'm almost never without reads, and the reads are usually along the lines of 'Opens UTG with hands as bad as A3o.' and 'any 2 calls on the button, folds to reraise' So I'd raise there. But readless, I'm going to be a bit conservative. I have to know at a minimum whether opponents can fold.
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