($60) Whiffing AK with an awkward stack

peek-a-boo · #1 08-17-2006, 12:51 AM

Approximately hand 25. Villian is running 22/14 to this point, not showing his near double-up, playing a turned boat very cleverly later. He has loosened his play considerably since building the stack, including open limping QTo in CO, and calling a reraise (unshown) the following hand.

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1045)
UTG+1 (t1135)
MP1 (t2105)
Hero (t1645)
Button (t535)
SB (t4525)
BB (t2510)

Preflop: Hero is in CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Hero raises to t300, Button folds, SB calls t250, BB folds

Flop: (t700) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t400, SB calls t400

Turn: (t1500) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (t1500) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t500, Hero folds

nuggetz87 · #2 08-17-2006, 12:56 AM

250 preflop, then 350 on the flop and shut down after he calls you twice. you need to take your stack into consideration when betting, not just the blinds.

wpr101 · #3 08-17-2006, 12:59 AM

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250 preflop, then 350 on the flop and shut down after he calls you twice. you need to take your stack into consideration when betting, not just the blinds.

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I hate the 250 normally, but I don't mind it too much here.

I actually like limping best here because of the stack. A lot of people see this as weak and will raise to 400... then you push.

morgan180 · #4 08-17-2006, 12:59 AM

i like a 250 bet pre-flop then your flop bet can be smaller ~300. i don't know if you really want to fire again on the turn or not, but i'm thinking not.

Pudge714 · #5 08-17-2006, 01:01 AM

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250 preflop, then 350 on the flop and shut down after he calls you twice. you need to take your stack into consideration when betting, not just the blinds.

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I hate the 250 normally, but I don't mind it too much here.

I actually like limping best here because of the stack. A lot of people see this as weak and will raise to 400... then you push.

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FPS

wpr101 · #6 08-17-2006, 01:03 AM

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250 preflop, then 350 on the flop and shut down after he calls you twice. you need to take your stack into consideration when betting, not just the blinds.

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I hate the 250 normally, but I don't mind it too much here.

I actually like limping best here because of the stack. A lot of people see this as weak and will raise to 400... then you push.

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FPS

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Sorry, what does FPS stand for?

EDIT: Oh fancy play syndrome. I don't think this is FPS at all given the stack sizes. I like pushing better than the 250 raise. Limping/pushing are better than that raise.

peek-a-boo · #7 08-17-2006, 01:07 AM

I agree with the 250, makes c-betting/folding a little less painful.

The option of pushing the flop has always intrigued me. As in this thread, with a near identical situation.

Curtains:
"Going allin on flop is ok. If they have no pair you win the pot...if they do, and if they decide to call you, you still win 25% of the time, which is important and is a signifigant amount."

As long as we're talking about pushing: Considering the size of the pot that I've created, a FD for villian a possibility, would you consider the ultimate show of strength in pushing your last 900 behind on this turn?

AMT · #8 08-17-2006, 01:08 AM

i feel like the only two lines you can argue for consistently here is a 250-300/350 cbet line or just pushing preflop.

wpr101 · #9 08-17-2006, 01:12 AM

Why does everybody hate calling here? Pushing the turn sucks I think for a sit and go. I don't mind it for a cash game or MTT, but it's not good for sng considering how the value of chips change.

Actually as played I like the turn push.

wpr101 · #10 08-17-2006, 01:14 AM

Raising to 250 is just bad I think. You are praying someone comes over the top of you and you don't have to play post flop. Make is simple by calling or pushing.