TT postflop late in the Stars $320

[Colombo]

I think you played the turn fairly good actually, assuming you call his all in instantly.

[TightIsRight]

I actually do think it's a little more complicated than "I have a set; I totally call." FWIW, I literally said "I just know I'm beat." Then, rather than thinking it through, I said "[censored] it" w/ an I'm-not-folding-a-set mentality and pushed the call button rather than reason through the hand. Vomit ensued.

[HamJam]

I don't understand your reasoning.

4 hands beat you. AQ, Q9, KK, and JJ.

He just called preflop, no KK

AQ and Q9 fold the flop.

JJ maybe, but usually I'd expect a reraise pf.

It is very rare to see one of the first 3 hands, so there is one hand that logically fits with villain's line you lose to. Consider he may have KJ, AK, 66, KQ, a pair+draw, and I don't see any reason at all to fold.

[Potte]

I like the play. I sometimes do it with a monster against an opponent I know will bet if I check to him on the turn, representing a flop cbet. No way you can fold to the push.

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I actually do think it's a little more complicated than "I have a set; I totally call."

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Then you're wrong.
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FWIW, I literally said "I just know I'm beat." Then, rather than thinking it through, I said "[censored] it" w/ an I'm-not-folding-a-set mentality and pushed the call button rather than reason through the hand. Vomit ensued.

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What are you afraid of? KK? JJ? Did AQ really try to peel off a gutterball? And why would any of these hands bet twice the pot?

[registrar]

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I actually do think it's a little more complicated than "I have a set; I totally call."

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Then you're wrong.
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FWIW, I literally said "I just know I'm beat." Then, rather than thinking it through, I said "[censored] it" w/ an I'm-not-folding-a-set mentality and pushed the call button rather than reason through the hand. Vomit ensued.

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What are you afraid of? KK? JJ? Did AQ really try to peel off a gutterball? And why would any of these hands bet twice the pot?

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I wouldn't be amazed to see any of the hands that beat me turned over, depending on what villain's read of me might be. I'd be quite surprised to see him turn over AQ after I'd checked turn and he'd pushed. But the reason for calling is just because I think I'm ahead more times than I'm behind, unless I have a specific read.

I check the turn because I want villain to do just this and then I call. I don't bet the turn because I don't like calling a reraise here. I bet the flop because I bet flops when I've opened with a strong hand most of the time, because there isn't an ace out, and because he's probably going to raise me out if I'm already beaten, unless I'm very far behind.

I agree that there aren't many feasible hands that I'm ahead of come the turn but the fact that he pushes when I check the turn indicates to me that, given the pot odds, the redraws and the chance that he is semi-bluffing makes a call mandatory. Granted, he could play KK like this, or JJ and possibly AQ, but he also can play KJ, KQ or even 99 the same way.

You surely can't fold here?

[Mike MacIntosh]

PF - I like the standard raise. There are 26 players left, and, we are thrid in chips at this table, so we would like to avoid those two players if possible. With that said, I am not thrilled that the CO has decided to get involved in a hand with us.

Flop - This is a very bad flop for our hand. It would be nice to have an idea of how your opponent plays. Without a read, my standard play in this situation is to cbet. However a good percentage of hands in his range have hit this flop in some way (draw or pair at minimum). Lets say he calls with suited and unsuited AT+, KQ, QT+, JT, and 55+. Would anyone argue against a cbet here? Forgive me for agruing, but I am always looking to improve my thinking about the game.

Turn - The perfect card. Now we have to find a way to get all of his chips in the middle. You accidently checked and he moved all-in. Perfect.

FOLD??? Like others have said, we are only losing to KK, JJ, and AQ. And we are ahead of MANY hands at this point. BTW, I would eliminate KK and AQ in this spot. IMO, we are only going to lose this hand to JJ or a river card that completes a draw.

[Imrahil]

The only hand I think I'm scared of is JJ but there are so many other hands he can have that you beat:

A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
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KJ

Even if he does have AQ you still have about a one in five chance of filling up.

Actually, I'm very scared of JJ now simply because his bet seems either like a semi-bluff or a protection bet. His set of jacks don't look very nice now given that there are two flush draws out there and three to a straight. That still can't justify me laying down this hand though.

[Nez477]

Is your name Tommy Reed?

[Supesimmo]

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Is your name Tommy Reed?

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LOL nh sir