Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > Other Topics > Politics
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Prev Previous Post   Next Post Next
  #20  
Old 08-16-2006, 04:45 AM
Propertarian Propertarian is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: FOOD It puts me in a good mood
Posts: 1,867
Default Re: France\'s social market vs. the U.S.\'s libertarian/less social mark

[ QUOTE ]
France has..
Higher Unemployment

[/ QUOTE ] I agree that this is a problem...the U.S. has a lot of people not counted in this statistic because it only counts people who are looking for jobs still. But this is not enough to make up the difference.

[ QUOTE ]
Also would like to see your numbers on historical growth.

[/ QUOTE ] These figures were posted by a libertarian in another thread. In terms of growth in productivity/hour, a more important stat, France is far ahead of the U.S. in the same time period. Check it out in figures collected by the U.S gov't, of all sources.

[ QUOTE ]
MORE discontent among the youth
Riots(which are massive) Less Religious Freedom Declarations of Military Law/Curfews in Major Urbans centres

[/ QUOTE ] My post is about the labor market; these things are not directly about the labor market. Insofar as these things are effected by the labor market, the negatives you find here are caused by the labor market being not being social enough. People in France do not like capitalism as much as people in the U.S., and they dislike inequality more: they simply have less tolerance for hierarchy. The youth are pissed because of unequal opportunity; the youth in the U.S. have an even less fair playing field, they just care less.

If you knew anything concrete about French contemporary history you would not have considered posting this here. These things are one of the reasons why France's labor market is better than the u.s. labor market (people are able to work together against the power of capital in France more effectively).
[ QUOTE ]
Women work in the homes more (metric of equality?)


[/ QUOTE ] This is due to the fact that the U.S. has a lower median income (different from average; in the U.S. the wealthy people are wealthier than they are in France; but the middle and working class people make more per hour than the people in the U.S, even before we take into the substantial effect of taxes and transfers in favor of France). In France more people can 'afford/believe they can afford' to have only one household member working.

Furthermore, in the U.S. the women who 'work outside of the homes full-time' still do the vast majority of the work inside the home, even if they work more hours than the man. (Source: The Second Shift by Hochschild. It is far better to do most of the work inside the home and not work full time outside, for most people, than it is for them to do work full time outside AND do the vast majority of the work inside the home. American women, like American men, are working far more hours than their French counterparts.

France is doing better here; while less women work outside the home, they still are less dominated by patriarchy than U.S. women are because of the fact of the 2nd shift for working women.

[ QUOTE ]
Less innovation

[/ QUOTE ] Per Capita? How is it measured?
Reply With Quote
 


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:50 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.