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08-15-2006, 01:08 AM
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Re: $109s Stupid Preflop AA Question
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i make it 350 [/ QUOTE ] Ditto. 
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#22
08-15-2006, 01:12 AM
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Re: $109s Stupid Preflop AA Question
I find it interesting that I'm getting fairly varied answers from respected posters, and with no real reasoning behind any of it. I'm aware reasoning here is kind of weird because it's such a simple hand and our opponents give us little information, but if people could elaborate and there thought process a little more here, that would be great.
The other alternative is wait for Curtains to post and follow him blindly.
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#23
08-15-2006, 01:20 AM
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Re: $109s Stupid Preflop AA Question
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Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People saying 500-600 why not just push? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People are so much more likely to reshove on you with like AQ then call it all off. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How did you come to this conclusion? [/ QUOTE ] cause a raise like this from the button or the BB is often just a raise to pick up all the dead chips in the pot with a weaker than normal raising hand. since he is playing it exactly that way, it isn't rare for an early position player to push in over the top representing a limped pair of AA or KK.
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#24
08-15-2006, 01:26 AM
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Re: $109s Stupid Preflop AA Question
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I find it interesting that I'm getting fairly varied answers from respected posters, and with no real reasoning behind any of it. I'm aware reasoning here is kind of weird because it's such a simple hand and our opponents give us little information, but if people could elaborate and there thought process a little more here, that would be great. The other alternative is wait for Curtains to post and follow him blindly. [/ QUOTE ] making it 350 is reraising to just over the pot size. this is optimal. you are forcing your opponents to make a mistake by calling such a big raise and this will likely thin the field to just 1 or 2 callers from my experience. raising to 500 bloats the pot and doesnt allow a whole lot of room to escape if something happens, i feel like its spewing just a bit. shoving i just dont think gets called enough to be profitable and i dont know if the pot is big enough to warrant just ending it now by shoving. finally, by making it 350 you do all of the above and make the pot big enough that you can get it AI and allow TP/other random draw or hand to pay you off on the flop where the pot IS big enough to warrant pushing, but not so big that you cant get away from a terrible flop or heavy action where its clear youre beat. also, curtains told me to post this [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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#25
08-15-2006, 01:29 AM
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Re: $109s Stupid Preflop AA Question
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[ QUOTE ] I find it interesting that I'm getting fairly varied answers from respected posters, and with no real reasoning behind any of it. I'm aware reasoning here is kind of weird because it's such a simple hand and our opponents give us little information, but if people could elaborate and there thought process a little more here, that would be great. The other alternative is wait for Curtains to post and follow him blindly. [/ QUOTE ] making it 350 is reraising to just over the pot size. this is optimal. you are forcing your opponents to make a mistake by calling such a big raise and this will likely thin the field to just 1 or 2 callers from my experience. raising to 500 bloats the pot and doesnt allow a whole lot of room to escape if something happens, i feel like its spewing just a bit. shoving i just dont think gets called enough to be profitable and i dont know if the pot is big enough to warrant just ending it now by shoving. finally, by making it 350 you do all of the above and make the pot big enough that you can get it AI and allow TP/other random draw or hand to pay you off on the flop where the pot IS big enough to warrant pushing, but not so big that you cant get away from a terrible flop or heavy action where its clear youre beat. also, curtains told me to post this [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Well said. Ship it.
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08-15-2006, 01:33 AM
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Re: $109s Stupid Preflop AA Question
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AMT, Nice post however if I only get 1,2 callers I'm pretty much never folding postflop. [/ QUOTE ] KQJ monotone to start, there are many other awful boards depending on the exact action. Can't hurt to have the option. But that is just a side benefit, mostly what you are trying to do is narrow the field without blowing everyone out of the water.
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#28
08-15-2006, 01:36 AM
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Re: $109s Stupid Preflop AA Question
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[ QUOTE ] AMT, Nice post however if I only get 1,2 callers I'm pretty much never folding postflop. [/ QUOTE ] KQJ monotone to start, there are many other awful boards depending on the exact action. Can't hurt to have the option. But that is just a side benefit, mostly what you are trying to do is narrow the field without blowing everyone out of the water. [/ QUOTE ] Only red monontone, and even then I'm still tilt pushing.
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#29
08-15-2006, 01:43 AM
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Re: $109s Stupid Preflop AA Question
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] AMT, Nice post however if I only get 1,2 callers I'm pretty much never folding postflop. [/ QUOTE ] KQJ monotone to start, there are many other awful boards depending on the exact action. Can't hurt to have the option. But that is just a side benefit, mostly what you are trying to do is narrow the field without blowing everyone out of the water. [/ QUOTE ] Only red monontone, and even then I'm still tilt pushing. [/ QUOTE ] im rarely folding of course but there are times that it would happen, 350 is just a nice balance. i suppose 400 isnt spewing much but i dont see as much of a point to it if theres no need for it. ship it [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#30
08-15-2006, 01:24 PM
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Re: $109s Stupid Preflop AA Question
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[ QUOTE ] I find it interesting that I'm getting fairly varied answers from respected posters, and with no real reasoning behind any of it. I'm aware reasoning here is kind of weird because it's such a simple hand and our opponents give us little information, but if people could elaborate and there thought process a little more here, that would be great. The other alternative is wait for Curtains to post and follow him blindly. [/ QUOTE ] making it 350 is reraising to just over the pot size. this is optimal. you are forcing your opponents to make a mistake by calling such a big raise and this will likely thin the field to just 1 or 2 callers from my experience. raising to 500 bloats the pot and doesnt allow a whole lot of room to escape if something happens, i feel like its spewing just a bit. shoving i just dont think gets called enough to be profitable and i dont know if the pot is big enough to warrant just ending it now by shoving. finally, by making it 350 you do all of the above and make the pot big enough that you can get it AI and allow TP/other random draw or hand to pay you off on the flop where the pot IS big enough to warrant pushing, but not so big that you cant get away from a terrible flop or heavy action where its clear youre beat. also, curtains told me to post this [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Some of your opponents might not be making a mistake calling for set value if a chain reaction gets set off before them. You don't want this.
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