Is there any game more misplayed than this one by the average player?

[Assani Fisher]

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Your flop call in hand 1 sucks.

[/ QUOTE ]I very much disagree, but I'm willing to hear your reasoning.

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Overcalling a pot bet with A 2 J 10 on an A A 7 board is retarded. Every card in the deck other than a jack or ten leaves you completely lost. Are you expecting to call down in a 3 way pot and show trip aces with a jack kicker to win the high half?

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You do realize that there are 6 tens and jacks out there right? And you do realize that if he has A7 or even AK then one of those six outs may very well get me his stack(or in this case, if hes a bad player then he'll pay me off with a naked ace). Furthermore, the fact that there were 3 players in the pot gives a strong indication that someone is going for low and gives me even more EV since obviously if my T or J comes out that does not complete the low. I called a bet for just under $200. I won almost $3000. Now I agree that I can't count on winning $3000 all the time in this spot, but clearly the implied odds justified the call here.

Moreover, you're giving his pot sized bet too much credit. He would do that with any ace. And he raised preflop, which gives an indication that he has a strong preflop hand(that turns out to be not so true, but we don't know that at the time I'm deciding whether or not to make this call). And what hands with an ace are strong? Usually AA(which we can rule out since I have one) or a strong low hand with flush draws. Therefore, it is a possibility that he has a strong low hand and I have the best hand on the flop. My call pretty much tells him that I also have an ace, so its very likely that a good player would slow down on the turn if he didn't have a full house or an ace with a good kicker and I could win the pot on the turn. Furthermore, lets say that he is a good, tight player- Unless he fills up on the turn, hes just as scared of the possibility of me having a full house as I would be of him....its very possible for me to knock a hand like AQ out with a good sized bet.

And finally, as if all that wasn't enough, lets also mention that I have position on both players in this hand.

I think that folding here is overly tight.

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The only card you can hit to have a prayer of bluffing is a 9. If a low card comes and its potted again, calling with AJ is terrible. You'll be getting freerolled without any idea if your hand is good enough. Plus, if a low card comes, the money definitely will be going in on the turn. Calling with A J 10 on that board is basically saying, to scoop this pot, I'm gonna have to hit a 6 outer on the turn, (you really only had 4), then dodge 20+ outs on the river. Folding the flop isn't overly tight. It's realizing that the pot will be extremely difficult to scoop, and that you are probably way behind in the first place.

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If a high card comes and both players check, then a pot sized bet would take down the pot against 2 good players. You have to realize that any guy with a made high hand would not be checking with the low draw out there, so a check indicates that he does not the full house- we can be 99% sure of that. That is the importance of having position in this hand and is the reason that I included position in my list of reasons for calling.