About Jamie Gold... - Page 11

DPCondit · #**101** 08-12-2006, 08:51 PM

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As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they did the opposite: lower the buy-in and remove any cap on the field size so they could really maximize profits.

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Yeah, ok fine, but that "I can't play any better than that" was pretty lame.

Ace-Ex · #**102** 08-12-2006, 08:52 PM

Did anyone think the comment from Wasicka that he thought Gold "really got a lot better since yesterday" was kind of a slam? I thought it was an odd comment to make to the world champion. It implied that Wasicka thinks he's a lot better than Gold.

Chump Change · #**103** 08-12-2006, 11:50 PM

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Did anyone think the comment from Wasicka that he thought Gold "really got a lot better since yesterday" was kind of a slam? I thought it was an odd comment to make to the world champion. It implied that Wasicka thinks he's a lot better than Gold.

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Sure it was. Then again Gold said, and this is not an exact quote, "I out played them, they played cards but I played them." Something like that.

This is at the same final table where AC made one of the best river calls of the ME.

I had to bold that and give it it's own paragraph.

Face it, all the young guys (and yes, Gold is a young guy) were brats with annoying antics. I put Molina in the same boat as Gold (maybe that's not totally accurate) but I didn't really have a problem with Molina either.

Everything Gold did was put through a filter, after he was winning and won, depeneding on whether the person wanted him to win or not. His shortcomings were blown out of proportion by the detractors and glossed over by the supporters.

chicagoY · #**104** 08-13-2006, 05:02 AM

I think he'd be right to draw that conclusion. Let's see where they're both at in 5 years. Wasicka will endure.

adios · #**105** 08-13-2006, 11:22 AM

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I took offense to his priding himself into "Tricking his opponents". I would like to see a World Champion simply outplay his opponents. (get rid of the BUlSheet, constant salesmanship and play good poker, no "tricks" please).

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Oh puhleeze, have you read Miller and Sklansky's new book on NL Hold'em yet? Part of winning at NL is manipulating your opponents to play their hands poorly. I agree that Gold's banter was a sales job. There's a point where one could argue such banter crosses the line but Gold didn't even come close to the line IMO.

IMO we had mostly players at the FT who ply their NL skills on the Internet and thus aren't that used to this kind of tactic and don't know how to counteract it. Allen of course doesn't fit this criteria. I think he actually used the banter of Gold to his benefit.

mudbuddha · #**106** 08-13-2006, 01:29 PM

ZOMG!!!

Richard Tanner · #**107** 08-13-2006, 02:14 PM

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i find it so funny how people think they should win a hand like 1010 vs KJsuited....... allen did not have best hand, that was exactly a coin flip. i hate [censored] who say got in best hand, thats a loser thing to say, i guarantee allen wasnt upset about losing thqat hand, he is upset about getting bluffed by paul. so stfu u [censored] when u say quote. I thought he was disrespectful to Allen (among others') when he knocked him out (with the worst hand)........... you sir are a disgrace..........right now, i will take kjsuited u can take 1010, lets put a grand on it, and if u lose, u proly say bad beat, cause ur a loser bitch [censored] pussy

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This lack of understanding here is a little scary (to say nothing of the name calling). 10-10 is ahead, only slightly (53-47) but it's ahead. So yes he had the best hand, that's not really up for debate (although I will agree, losing a coinflip probably wasn't Allen's biggest let down).

As for the bet, I tell you what, you take K-Js and I'll take 10-10. We'll run each hand hot and cold, over and over again, and the only stipulation is you can only quit if you're behind. I await your call.

Cody

Chimera · #**108** 08-13-2006, 05:59 PM

I actually thought Gold played pretty well, but all these people who are saying he "put on a clinic on how to play a big stack" are way off base, IMO.

He had like 3 big pairs vs. slightly smaller pairs before the flop, he flopped trip 9s w/ a better kicker vs. AC's trip 9s w/ a worse kicker, he checked in the dark w/ a small pair (the same play that David Williams justifiably got killed for), etc.

Most people keep saying that he never donked off his stack, but when did he really have a chance to? It's kind of hard to donk off your stack when you flop the best hand over and over. I wonder what would have happened if he'd been the one w/ the worse kicker w/ his trip 9s?

None of this is to say that he played badly. On the contrary, he played pretty well. But if you want a "clinic on how to play big stack poker", watch Ivey at the Monte Carlo Millions. If you want a "clinic on how to exploit cold deck situations", then watch Gold's performance.

Dangeresque · #**109** 08-13-2006, 06:12 PM

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As for the bet, I tell you what, you take K-Js and I'll take 10-10. We'll run each hand hot and cold, over and over again, and the only stipulation is you can only quit if you're behind. I await your call.

Cody

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Sure, how about 1200 times for $1 CAD each time? I could use another 70 bucks.

I don't fault someone for getting the best of it. Good gamble, Gold got 53% lucky. Fine, I hope he and I crack the craps table tomorrow in our respective towns.

HoldingFolding · #**110** 08-13-2006, 11:50 PM

The thing that really became apparent to me is that Gold played excellent *live* poker and that I personally cannot expect to be able to compete in live tournaments unless I start to practice playing live tournaments a lot more. I think when you're doing well online you can convince yourself that the tells, the table talk, the ability to work out stack sizes & pot odds with physical chips, the stamina requirement etc. are peripheral parts of the game, but I think Gold proved that they are of central importance.

Personally I thought Gold was a worthy winner and I take greater issue with some of his opponents. Firstly, the massive pre flop raises & all ins just seemed very amateurish - I seem to recall players raising to 30x the BB. Secondly, I thought the players were very slack in standing up to Gold. In particular, and please correct me on this if I'm wrong, I seem to recall a couple of occasions when Gold would raise on the river & his opponent would then call. Gold seemed to then turbomuck his cards, but that is information you have paid for and should demand to see. I couldn't believe that they were allowing him to get away with it.