A few tricky spots

[JacksonTens]

Well I'm not sure if these really are 'tricky' maybe they are basic. Anyways I basically had a few questions followed by an actual hand.

It is 3 handed 10/20 no rake... it was a 10 handed table so these guys are not SH players, and have not really adapted except for becoming even looser. It is about to break...

Villain to my left is a LAG goon who can go crazy with bottom pair. 80/4/?

Villain to my right is also a LAG but an absolute chaser: anything over one out to see a river. 100/6/?



1. Hero has A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in BB
BT calls, SB calls, Hero raises, all call.

Flop: KTx
Hero bets, SB raises, fold, Hero calls

Turn: x
Hero check/folds

2. Hero has A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on BT
Hero raises???
[Should I just call as players are so loose they will ALWAYS defend?]

3. Hero has 22 in BB

All call PF

Flop: T53r
SB checks, Hero bets, BT folds, SB raises, Hero 3bets, SB 4bets, Hero calls

Turn: x
SB bets, Hero folds
[Bet cos I though I was winning even though they would call with anything even two undercards and a running straight. Should I just check/fold hands this weak against looser players?]

4. Hero has A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in BB
called to Hero who raises all call

Flop: K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
check, Hero bets, both call

Turn: K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
checked to Hero who bets both call.

River: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
checked to Hero who bets both call.
[I figured that no one had the 8 or K? Do we hate this?]

Thanks in advance for any and all replies!

JT

[JacksonTens]

Also to note they are not aggro on bluffs, only with a pair when they think I missed the flop.

JT

[stigmata]

1) Call the turn. You said villain was a LAG so you likely have a decent number of outs (4 nut outs, 2-3 outs for aces and a Jack might be good). 3-betting the flop might even be good if you think he won't 4-bet hardly ever (you preflop raise gives you some leverage to represent a big hand, so he might just call with top pair weak kicker), then take the free card. Also, was the flop 2-tone? Would he raise a draw?

2) HEPFAP talks about just calling here, but hardly anyone ever does it. Whatever, it's a pretty marginal steal so it should be dictated by table dynamics.

3) BIG SPEW. What the hell were you thinking? You say "they are not aggro on bluffs, only with a pair when they think I missed the flop" and then you go and pump an underpair?

4) River is only getting called by hands that beat you or tie, so betting achieves nothing.

[JacksonTens]

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1) Call the turn. You said villain was a LAG so you likely have a decent number of outs (4 nut outs, 2-3 outs for aces and a Jack might be good). 3-betting the flop might even be good if you think he won't 4-bet hardly ever (you preflop raise gives you some leverage to represent a big hand, so he might just call with top pair weak kicker), then take the free card. Also, was the flop 2-tone? Would he raise a draw?

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The flop was rainbow and I messed up I was OOP in the hand. Hence I c/f the turn. I'm guessing you still advocate calling the turn?

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2) HEPFAP talks about just calling here, but hardly anyone ever does it. Whatever, it's a pretty marginal steal so it should be dictated by table dynamics.

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I tend to agree with HEFAP in this spot. It just seems weak limping OTB.



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3) BIG SPEW. What the hell were you thinking? You say "they are not aggro on bluffs, only with a pair when they think I missed the flop" and then you go and pump an underpair?

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So you hate the flop bet? Because the 3bet was for a cheap SD.

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4) River is only getting called by hands that beat you or tie, so betting achieves nothing.

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I have the nut flush. I beat a random 2pair.

JT

[dave44]

1. Sounds like this guy's range after his flop raise is wide enough that you have enough outs to call the turn and see a river.

2. Against these guys I think calling is fine.

3. I guess the flop bet is ok, but I'd fold to the raise. Or if you think the raise doesn't necessarily mean that you're behind, then perhaps you should have just check-called.

4. Perfect.

[JacksonTens]

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3. I guess the flop bet is ok, but I'd fold to the raise. Or if you think the raise doesn't necessarily mean that you're behind, then perhaps you should have just check-called.


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So you think I should just check it through? Or bet and fold to the c/r?

JT

[dave44]

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So you think I should just check it through? Or bet and fold to the c/r?

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I would bet and fold to the raise. Even if you are ahead, he has at least 6 outs against you.