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#51
08-03-2006, 11:40 AM
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Re: SSNL Common Spots #1
Funny.. I read a post in SSNL, which linked me to a post in MSNL, which took me to an article on Tommy Angelo's site. Came back to MSNL and a post there linked me back to this post. A question in MSNL was basically "how often do you complete?" and my answer was going to be "I am quite tight from the SB." Instead of answering there, I'll answer here.
Here's what I do. 1) Complete 2) Fold 3) Fold 4) Complete 5) Raise a lot 6) Fold 7) Fold 
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#52
08-03-2006, 11:48 AM
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Re: SSNL Common Spots #1
[ QUOTE ]
Funny.. I read a post in SSNL, which linked me to a post in MSNL, which took me to an article on Tommy Angelo's site. Came back to MSNL and a post there linked me back to this post. A question in MSNL was basically "how often do you complete?" and my answer was going to be "I am quite tight from the SB." Instead of answering there, I'll answer here. Here's what I do. 1) Complete 2) Fold 3) Fold 4) Complete 5) Raise a lot 6) Fold 7) Fold [/ QUOTE ] You complete 99 and raise 67s? Could you expand on your reasoning?
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#55
08-03-2006, 12:13 PM
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Re: SSNL Common Spots #1
It will be difficult for me to explain my reasoning. I will try...
The question "why do you complete 99 but raise 67s" is actually the wrong question. They are different hands. It's not like one hand is better than the other, and that's why I raise or complete. The right question is actually two questions. Why complete 99? Why raise 67s? Why complete 99 Turn the question around. Why raise 99? There are two big reasons. One, we have a good made hand. Two, everybody else seems pretty weak, and a raise now could either take down the pot now or give us enough FE to follow it up with a lot of CBs and take it down on the flop. We have a good made hand, sure, but it's a hand with showdown value. Not a lot of big-pot value, unless we improve to a set or better. In some cases we can improve and still not be a great big-pot hand, like when we make a 1-card straight. Think about the sorts of hands that limped in to the pot. Probably high cards, naked aces, smaller pairs and connectors. If the flop comes and pairs one of the high cards, we'll regret having raised PF. If it comes rags, we bet and everyone folds, we won the minimum with our good made hand. Sure we won, and that's fine. But they were correct to fold, and that's not fine. If we just complete PF, we put ourselves in a position to get to the showdown for the minimum if that's what we want, or start building a pot if that's what we want. But we can wait until the flop to make the choice. Raising PF starts building the pot before we really know what our equity situation will be, which means we are mostly raising for flop FE. If that's so, then 99 might as well be 72. Why raise 76s 76 is not the hand they expect me to raise with here. That plus the FE I get on rag flops where I and they both flop nothing are the reasons I raise. Say the flop comes rags, and nobody hits anything. I bet, they fold thier naked aces. I won, but note what happened. They made a mistake by folding becasue they actually had the best hand and probably the best draw. If we both hit the flop, the chance that I'm dominated are almost zero. It becomes pretty clear whether I want to play a big pot or no pot at all. If the flop comes something like A77 or A76, the nakes Ace is going to give me a lot of chips. Both now & in the future. After a barrage of "you raise with that crap?" they are going to try and pick me off at every opportunity, taking stands with weaker & weaker hands. Only now, while thier standards are coming down, mine are going up, and I always have the best hand. A lot of times the flop will come Ace-high rags. In these situations its real easy to just check-fold. You know somebody hit, so there's no value in a CB. You know there's no value in a check-call becasue you didn't hit. There's a lot more to it than this. These were all just my surface thoughts. Unfortunately I don't have a lot of time top develop these thought further.
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#56
08-03-2006, 12:13 PM
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Re: SSNL Common Spots #1
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1) Raise 2) Fold 3) Complete 4) Raise (sometimes limp) 5) Complete 6) Fold 7) Fold. [/ QUOTE ]
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#58
08-03-2006, 12:19 PM
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Re: SSNL Common Spots #1
1) AJo- Raise for value
2) A4o- Fold, Sometimes Squeeze Raise to 7 BB 3) K5s- complete, need to play this multiway. 4) 99- Raise for value 5) 76s- Raise for value, mixing it up purposes, deception, shania 6) J8o- fold, squeeze raise occasionally (like 10% of opportunites) 7) 73o- fold
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#59
08-03-2006, 12:22 PM
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Re: SSNL Common Spots #1
[ QUOTE ]
1) AJo- Raise for value 2) A4o- Fold, Sometimes Squeeze Raise to 7 BB 3) K5s- complete, need to play this multiway. 4) 99- Raise for value 5) 76s- Raise for value, mixing it up purposes, deception, shania 6) J8o- fold, squeeze raise occasionally (like 10% of opportunites) 7) 73o- fold [/ QUOTE ] Question. Why do you squeeze with A4o but not 73o? I'm not questioning the value of squeezing, I'm questioning the cards you choose to squeeze with.
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#60
08-03-2006, 12:46 PM
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Re: SSNL Common Spots #1
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Why complete 99 Turn the question around. Why raise 99? There are two big reasons. One, we have a good made hand. Two, everybody else seems pretty weak, and a raise now could either take down the pot now or give us enough FE to follow it up with a lot of CBs and take it down on the flop. We have a good made hand, sure, but it's a hand with showdown value. Not a lot of big-pot value, unless we improve to a set or better. In some cases we can improve and still not be a great big-pot hand, like when we make a 1-card straight. Think about the sorts of hands that limped in to the pot. Probably high cards, naked aces, smaller pairs and connectors. If the flop comes and pairs one of the high cards, we'll regret having raised PF. If it comes rags, we bet and everyone folds, we won the minimum with our good made hand. Sure we won, and that's fine. But they were correct to fold, and that's not fine. If we just complete PF, we put ourselves in a position to get to the showdown for the minimum if that's what we want, or start building a pot if that's what we want. But we can wait until the flop to make the choice. Raising PF starts building the pot before we really know what our equity situation will be, which means we are mostly raising for flop FE. If that's so, then 99 might as well be 72. [/ QUOTE ] Grunch, Very interesting post, but I'm raising here because I want and expect the very bad UTG+1 player to call and the TAG button to fold. I'd much rather play HU on the flop against a bad player than 3-way against a good player and a bad player, especially OOP. Also, I don't think you give enough weight to the raise being purely for value. You say "If the flop comes and pairs one of the high cards, we'll regret having raised PF." Well, no, not really. If UTG+1 calls with KT or whatever he's a 2:1 dog to outflop me, so I'm very happy with his call even if he does outflop me. For the record I would: 1) AJo - raise 2) A4o - fold 3) K5s - fold 4) 99 - raise 5) 76s - in this situation, probably raise, more usually complete. 6) J8o - fold 7) 73o - fold Cheers c
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