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07-27-2006, 04:50 PM
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France\'s social market vs. the U.S.\'s libertarian/less social market
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From my original source I have a 54.6% growth in per capita GDP in the US and a 50.5% growth in France from 1990 to 2002. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let us play economic General manager and see if we want to make this trade, U.S economy for French economy: A 4% increase in GDP over a 12 year period in exchange for (note: and this was during a period of relatively strong growth and stability in the U.S. economy!!!): Far lower crime rates. A more healthy populace. 4 extra weeks of paid vacation+ paid holidays per year . Far more economic and job security. And five less hours of work per worker per week (35 hour work week). The answer is clear. The French social market is far preferable to the U.S.A's more 'libertarian' market. If you offered this trade to the U.S. population at least 90% of the people would take it. Unfortunately the 10% that would not want it are those who have the most power and influence in the U.S. Know you can see why most French people get irritated when people in the U.S. make comments about how bad their economy is and how to improve it. 
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07-27-2006, 05:09 PM
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Re: France\'s social market vs. the U.S.\'s libertarian/less social market
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From my original source I have a 54.6% growth in per capita GDP in the US and a 50.5% growth in France from 1990 to 2002. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let us play economic General manager and see if we want to make this trade, U.S economy for French economy: A 4% increase in GDP over a 12 year period in exchange for (note: and this was during a period of relatively strong growth and stability in the U.S. economy!!!): Far lower crime rates. A more healthy populace. 4 extra weeks of paid vacation+ paid holidays per year . Far more economic and job security. And five less hours of work per worker per week (35 hour work week). The answer is clear. The French social market is far preferable to the U.S.A's more 'libertarian' market. If you offered this trade to the U.S. population at least 90% of the people would take it. Unfortunately the 10% that would not want it are those who have the most power and influence in the U.S. Know you can see why most French people get irritated when people in the U.S. make comments about how bad their economy is and how to improve it. [/ QUOTE ] why did you switch? didnt like getting called out in the other thread for speaking for other people when you have no clue what they want?
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#4
07-27-2006, 05:12 PM
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Re: France\'s social market vs. the U.S.\'s libertarian/less social market
The other thread= too long.
But more importantly I think this is the most fundemental reply to the 'oh no a few wealthy people are leaving!!! The sky most be falling!!!' arguments against economic security and equality. The reply is, to summarize: big deal. We have more important things to worry about. That 'call out' was a joke. Emigration is costly; you leave behind your friends and family, move to an unfamilar area with an unfamilar dialect and culture. I could poll this question in a less ideologically biased area and get numbers similar to this. Just like if I posted it in a forum dominated by lefties I would get over 90% in support.
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#5
07-27-2006, 05:15 PM
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Re: France\'s social market vs. the U.S.\'s libertarian/less social market
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The other thread= too long. That 'call out' was a joke. Emigration is costly; you leave behind your friends and family, move to an unfamilar area with an unfamilar dialect and culture. I could poll this question in a less ideologically biased area and get numbers similar to this. Just like if I posted it in a forum dominated by lefties I would get over 90% in support. [/ QUOTE ] Do you know how many people immigrate to the US from France (relative to it's population)? Do you know the reverse? I would be interested in getting such statistics. Both sets of immigrants face similar issues (although the French are more likely to know English).
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#6
07-27-2006, 05:15 PM
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Re: France\'s social market vs. the U.S.\'s libertarian/less social mark
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I could poll this question in a less ideologically biased area and get numbers similar to this. Just like if I posted it in a forum dominated by lefties I would get over 90% in support. [/ QUOTE ] I'm sure you would with that skewed characterization. Hopefully we don't trade for France's system where 15,000 can die from a heatwave...
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07-27-2006, 05:20 PM
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Re: France\'s social market vs. the U.S.\'s libertarian/less social market
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The other thread= too long. That 'call out' was a joke. Emigration is costly; you leave behind your friends and family, move to an unfamilar area with an unfamilar dialect and culture. I could poll this question in a less ideologically biased area and get numbers similar to this. Just like if I posted it in a forum dominated by lefties I would get over 90% in support. [/ QUOTE ] And if you remember my response you would recognize that DESPITE those costs of emigration, motivated French workers want to move here. Dozens of engineers, mathematicians and translators who would love a 50-60 hour work week for the economic opportunity here for my little 8 man company.
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07-27-2006, 05:21 PM
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Re: France\'s social market vs. the U.S.\'s libertarian/less social mark
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I'm sure you would with that skewed characterization. Hopefully we don't trade for France's system where 15,000 can die from a heatwave... [/ QUOTE ] This has nothing to do with their economic system. In France the climate is normally very temperate so most people, especially the elderly, do not have air conditioning BY CHOICE. However, global climate change (global warming, of course) means that they will have to change or risk this. This is a failure to be prepared for a change in the climate by the elderly (primarily), not a failure of the economy.
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#9
07-27-2006, 05:23 PM
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Re: France\'s social market vs. the U.S.\'s libertarian/less social market
I had not read that. But I know a lot of fortunate people would want to leave; I said the powerful would prefer the U.S. system. But capitalism already arbitrarily favors the well-being of the lucky, so in making capitalism more humane we should favor the well-being of the less fortunate to even it out.
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#10
07-27-2006, 05:26 PM
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Re: France\'s social market vs. the U.S.\'s libertarian/less social market
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I had not read that. But I know a lot of fortunate people would want to leave; I said the powerful would prefer the U.S. system. But capitalism already arbitrarily favors the well-being of the lucky, so in making capitalism more humane we should favor the well-being of the less fortunate to even it out. [/ QUOTE ] no we shouldnt. the less fortunate should work their butts off. They have the same opportunity as the vast majority of the more fortunate.
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