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Old 07-24-2006, 04:26 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 - Should I lay this AQs down?

So it appears to be a close call on raising or calling the turn. I think I like calling better. I would certainly like to get to showdown, so folding to a 3-bet on the turn would eliminate that possibility. And there are a lot of scary cards that could hit on the river (a jack being one of them), so the
cheaper for me the better I think. If a diamond hits, I'm folding the river.
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Old 07-24-2006, 05:12 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 - Should I lay this AQs down?

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And there are a lot of scary cards that could hit on the river (a jack being one of them)

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This should be more of a reason to raise the turn instead of calling it.

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Old 07-24-2006, 05:13 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 - Should I lay this AQs down?

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So it appears to be a close call on raising or calling the turn. I think I like calling better. I would certainly like to get to showdown, so folding to a 3-bet on the turn would eliminate that possibility. And there are a lot of scary cards that could hit on the river (a jack being one of them), so the
cheaper for me the better I think. If a diamond hits, I'm folding the river.

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You don't understand. This is a concept I didn't really understand for awhile, but it really is a good play. You don't know UTG has a flush draw, he could have a T, or a PP, or a gutshot, you don't nkow what he has. If you are winning, you want to either charge UTG, or make him fold.

And if the SB 3bets, you are drawing dead, or have 3 outs, and it's a super easy fold.

If the turn is Heads up, meaning UTG folded to your flop raise, then calling down from the turn bet is the best play.

Main point, you want to protect your hand when it is best, and if you get 3bet, you don't have to call down.

You invest 2BB both ways, but by raising the turn, you get protection or value.
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Old 07-24-2006, 06:35 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 - Should I lay this AQs down?

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If you are winning, you want to either charge UTG, or make him fold.
You invest 2BB both ways, but by raising the turn, you get protection or value.

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Ok, I see your point. My problem is that I don't think I'm winning here. I think I'm either dominated or crushed by AK,AT, or 10s. And what if he calls my turn raise, then donk bets the river? That would cost me 3BB.
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Old 07-24-2006, 06:57 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 - Should I lay this AQs down?

I honestly don't know what you are so scared of. Plenty of players 3-bet top pair flush draw. His aggression is reasonable, especially over such a small sample, so I can't just put 2 pair or better in his hand. Charge the draws on the turn. If the flush misses the river, and he donks you, I probably pay him off (and take a lot of notes when he shows the winner), but I think that is going to happen rather infrequently.
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Old 07-24-2006, 07:18 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 - Should I lay this AQs down?

Oh alright, I'll try and raise it next time. Geez.
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