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Old 07-20-2006, 01:52 PM
mcvalenc mcvalenc is offline
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Default Re: QTo butchery

I call the river without hesitation. Given your read of the limper I would iso-raise on the button or CO, but fold in MP.
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Old 07-20-2006, 02:00 PM
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If this villain checkraises a lot with marginal hands, I would have just called down after the flop C/R, and bet into any weakness.
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Old 07-20-2006, 02:06 PM
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I'd rather 3bet the flop checkraise than raise the turn on this board vs. this player.
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Old 07-20-2006, 05:34 PM
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Could you explain your rational behind your turn raise?
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Old 07-20-2006, 06:25 PM
Scipio Scipio is offline
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@ TeeJayOrTJ,SparkyDog,Moneyline
Why do you 3-bet the flop?
I see no reasons for that.
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Old 07-20-2006, 06:42 PM
DrewOnTilt DrewOnTilt is offline
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Could you explain your rational behind your turn raise?

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Rational is that the TAGgish villain's flop check/raising standards are very wide - mid pocket pairs, middle pair overcard kicker, weaker Queen. I've seen him pull this move correctly several times in both this session and previous sessions. If he 3-bets me it's an easy muck, if he has a worse hand I make an extra bet.

That was my thinking at the time, at least, and even just looking at the hand history without knowing the final results, I feel that this thinking was flawed. As another poster said already, the turn was not a blank but I have a redraw.

It didn't matter, as villain rolled over 6s full, and i was drawing almost dead on the flop. The good result of this hand was that I recognized that I had just lost a big pot on another table, was possibly getting a bit tilty, and quit the session up a bit, rather than tilting it all back.
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Old 07-20-2006, 06:48 PM
DrewOnTilt DrewOnTilt is offline
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I see no problem raising that with his read of UTG.

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I think the tendencies of the players yet to act are way more important in the given situation.

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I think you are right, and other respondents in this thread should heed this advice. The players behind me generally respected my raises, though a leak of mine is that I tend to not evaluate the looseness/tightness of those yet to act before iso-raising. Thanks for reminding me of this.
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Old 07-20-2006, 06:51 PM
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Could you explain your rational behind your turn raise?

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Rational is that the TAGgish villain's flop check/raising standards are very wide - mid pocket pairs, middle pair overcard kicker, weaker Queen. I've seen him pull this move correctly several times in both this session and previous sessions.

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OK, then I'd rather three bang the flop and punish him right there. If he caps I'm inclined to think Top Pair Ten kicker or maybe Top Pair with any kicker is not winning.

Some guys might checkraise the flop with with a flush draw too which would argue for repopping the flop and then just calling if he bets out on the turn.
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