Deep in the tournament and your tournament life is at stake

[RAHZero]

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no way jose I call this deep in a mtt.

that was a bad decision on your part. Even if he has like king queen.. he can still suck out on you and bust you.

2 things to remember deep an a mtt.

1.) If you tango with the chip leader, you better have the nuts or something close to, because he can bust you.

2.) If your one of the top chip leaders, it is really easy to bully/steal from smaller stacks than to play against the big stack. Even if you have a tempting hand PF and he shows strength, you need to think about folding it to avoid tough post flop decisions for all your chips.

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No... just, no. First of all, if you know he has King Queen, there is absolutely no reason not to call. You can't be afraid of the suckout when you're the favorite. Second, your first point is playing way too weak. You can't just let the chip leader run over you. You're in the tourney to finish first, not to coast into the money. When you have a chance like this to double up and crush the big stack, you take it given the reads. I call this every time.

[Dromar]

Personally, from what you've described of this guy, I would have called in this situation, feeling at least 85% sure that I had the best of it there. But if it were me, I would have either been all in or folded preflop. From what you've said about his preflop all in habits, I was at worst a coin flip, and quite possibly dominating. I would have lost all my chips on that hand too. But that's how it goes.

Bad luck. But even donks get Aces sometimes.

[terminatorSQ]

With player X going all in right after the flop, there's not enuf info to think AK is the best hand. In fact, I have to think the player X has the top pair KK beat. He may went all in because he saw a flush potential. I'd probably give him a set in this situation, AK at worst.

[elmitchbo]

i will play devil's advocate. don't take offense...

maybe if he's knocking people out everywhere and finishing first now and then he's not the donk that you think he is.

he might actually be a good LAGgy player. it's frustrating to play against, and once you start down that road your perception of him can get skewed.

maybe he's getting in with dominated hands, but he might also be winning alot of pots with those same hands when he doesn't have to show. classic super system play.... steal small pots and the big pots are a freeroll no matter what you have.

edit: you have to call. you have to call if he's a solid player, much less a LAG.

[twoakers]

I would call. You've got TPTK against a LAG who could be playing anything. He could be on a flush draw, or wosrt case scenario, have hit trips (probably 7's), but I'd slam him and see. If you don't, you can pretty much kiss off any chance of pushing him around later in the tourney, unless you hold the nuts. I'll be interested in seeing the other repsonses, but I go all-in here and prepare to bully the remaining players with my huge stack.

[twoakers]

I would have lost too, but still think the odds are that it's right correct move. That's why poker's so cool, so many ways to play it.

[bobman0330]

push preflop
call
don't whine about bad beats
don't post question that have nothing to do with poker theory in poker theory

[winky51]

No my perception of this player is dead on. He has no clue about odds when to fold when a ROCK reraises him. What cards he plays is fine, thats why I call him a LAG. Its his decisions when others raise him that makes him a bad player.

EXAMPLES:
He pushes hands like A9s, AT, AJ vs a TAG behind him who just reraised him when the odds are not there to play the hand.

He calls large all ins with suited connectors.

He calls all ins with dominated hands and its kinda OBVIOUS the other player has him beat preflop.

He calls for gut draws.

He calls for flush draws even if its not right to call.

Basically he has no concept of pot odds.

The 2 tournaments I saw him play he just kept sucking out over and over as a severe underdog. Trust me he is terrible.

His starting hands are not bad, his aggressiveness is good but he pushes too many dominated hands. He flops top pair he pushes, flops a set pushes, has an overpair pushes. I mean rediculous bet sized. His only move is basically push most of the time. He pushes 5000 chips into a pot of 500.

Mind you I like him on my right because I can get chips off of him but at the same time at any moment he can knock you out of the tournament with a suckout.

[winky51]

You dont get it do you. If I reraise he just pushes hands like AA-77, AK-A9s. Thats all he does. He never just calls preflop and I don't know what he has. I would rather call and see a flop especially in position. He usually checks when he misses, simple. He pushes when he has a pair.

[winky51]

Well I did a little research of what hands I thought he had and to me it came out 1/3 I was behind, 1/3 I was ahead, 1/3 I was tie. It was a tough decision with my chip stack and who was at the table. I also knew that he knew I was tight. But at the same time I figured he thought I would reraise him with AK since I reraised him earlier with AQ. Overall I added it up and thought "I'm either going to be the super chips leader or DIE!" I felt I was a head 66% of the time considering everything.

And why the hell risk your tournament life on AK when he will call with ANY pair and your a dog.

I can risk 15% of my stack to win the hand. I have position vs a guy I KNOW will pay me off it I hit and check if he misses so I would take the pot anyways.

Risk everything on a coin flip. Why the hell is everyone PUSH PF PUSH PF. Thats dumb vs this type of player that WILL call with any pair. Why risk the whole tournament on a coin flip when you are the chip leader. Thats a lesson I learned. Pick on the small stacks and try to avoid the big ones. Now if I had an M of 10 or less then I would push. But not when the 4 stacks to my left are Ms of 3 or less and I can bully them around.

I go far in these tournaments by winning a lot of pots not by PUSH PUSH PUSH risking everyother hand trying not to get unlucky.