Rebuilding the Cubs

[IlliniLou]

we keep Lee,Zambrano,Barrett and Cedeno, everyone else is expendable.

the argument that we havent had a SS since Dunston is crap,as is the same with a 3rd baseman. who cares if we havent had a solid player in a certain position, the only solid position we've ever had was Sandberg at 2nd. We havent won in decades, almost a century, so you dont keep someone around just because we havent had somethin in awhile. This is why we continue to lose, because of thinking like this, we are never continuously tryin to improve.

Murton has a drawback, his power isn't really worth anything and his arm is about as strong as a 2nd basemans.

So what do we do? Listen to all offers, take what we can get cuz we're not goin anywhere this year or next. Re-build but do it right, dont half ass it like we have been for decades. Dusty Baker also should be replaced, maybe Bob Brenly or Lou Piniella. They both have WS rings. Fine players for not hustling, for not being into the game. Light a fire under their ass, its their job, its the game they've played since they were kids, its supposed to be their life. Start having them act like it.

Im a pissed off Cubs fan and I need new ownership and personnel or im gonna go crazy. What do the rest of you Cubs fans think?

[Clarkmeister]

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the only solid position we've ever had was Sandberg at 2nd.

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C'mon now. You had this one guy who hit almost 200 HR's in only 3 seasons.

[IlliniLou]

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the only solid position we've ever had was Sandberg at 2nd.

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C'mon now. You had this one guy who hit almost 200 HR's in only 3 seasons.

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ya ya i forgot, Sosa .... he's dead to me now after how he acted.

[Clarkmeister]

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the only solid position we've ever had was Sandberg at 2nd.

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C'mon now. You had this one guy who hit almost 200 HR's in only 3 seasons.

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I'd just like to note how ridiculous this sounds.

[IlliniLou]

ya that is kind of ridiculous

[crockpot]

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Im a pissed off Cubs fan and I need new ownership and personnel or im gonna go crazy. What do the rest of you Cubs fans think?

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sadly, the easiest way to get these is to pick a new team.

and i'm confused why the cubs should build around cedeno because they haven't had a good shortstop in forever, but no aramis, who is twice the player and at a similarly dead position for the franchise.

[Clarkmeister]

Yikes!

Easy to forget. 66, 63, 50, 64, 49. wow.

[Jack of Arcades]

You do know about Baseball-Reference.com, right?

[IlliniLou]

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You do know about Baseball-Reference.com, right?

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ya i do, it was more of a spur of the moment banter, sorry i forgot the precious Sosa. Also the thing about Ramirez is that he doesn't hustle at all or seem to care. There's no sense of urgency ever for this team. Ramirez is not a star and can't carry a team, he's a guy you get when you're 1 player away from a championship, not 10 or 12 players away as the Cubs are. Some Cubs fans have the impression we should keep Ramirez around cuz we haven't had a 3rd baseman since Santo, thats why i brought it up

[Jack of Arcades]

I was talking to Clark.