Borg 80 Hand

[Jeffage]

I think one other advantage of checkraising the flop is that if he's planning the call and raise the turn line with a big pair then you get three large bets out of him if you turn the straight. If you checkraise the turn, he will just call with the same hand.

What about checkraising the flop and then bet-three betting the turn as long as it isn't an ace? This may cause him to lay down something like QQ or JJ. OTOH, something like JJ or 10-10 or 99 is more likely to three bet the flop than raise the turn. But it's a blind steal spot so who knows - I think he is capable of laying down a smaller pocket pair if he was planning to raise the turn just to get to showdown for two bets on one street and not for value. Not sure how likely this scenario is though.

I'm tired so hopefully that made some semblance of sense.

Jeff

[mike l.]

"the sole exception being A7 or A5"

what about a pocket pair small enough to not cap?

[mscags]

I think it really depends on how often this guy gets to showdown Jeff. My usual plan of action would be to CR the flop and lead turn, but if he is always calling down w ace high here than that doesnt do any good and I would prob just c/c c/c c/f.

[Robk]

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I think one other advantage of checkraising the flop is that if he's planning the call and raise the turn line with a big pair then you get three large bets out of him if you turn the straight.

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this doesnt make sense to me. you wont have the straight 80% of the time on the turn, so how is it an advantage that he raises?

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If you checkraise the turn, he will just call with the same hand.

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why not bet it out then?

[tonysoldier]

I'm pretty sure that the answer is however you normally play a middle pair or a set, especially if you play those similarly. Your opponent probably doesn't include your actual hand in his range for you. He'll make some big mistakes when you hit, which is another reason to bluff.

[DeathDonkey]

I also like Mike's flop berserker play and think its fairly standard. Bet 3 betting the turn is a good idea too. Basically your hand and preflop action and this flop is license to spew since you will usually have a set here.

-DeathDonkey

[Josh W]

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Bet 3 betting the turn is a good idea too.

-DeathDonkey

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What if that negates any possibility of a river checkraise?

[DeathDonkey]

You mean unimproved Josh?

-DeathDonkey

[Paluka]

I think the best ways to get a fold out of him are donk/3 betting the flop and leading the turn or check/calling flop and checkraising the turn. Against showdown monkeys I don't think there is anythign worth with check/call, check/call,check/fold.

[3rdCheckRaise]

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This may cause him to lay down something like QQ or JJ

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Jeff
How often do you lay down JJ or QQ on 8 high board HU? How often do you do that against a player with your image? Your best hope is to get him to lay down AK-AQ and not spew way too many chips in the process. CR the flop and lead the turn.