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07-17-2006, 09:53 PM
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Re: Which is harder: LSAT, MCAT, GMAT, GRE, other?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] MCAT by far even though i didnt take it, i watched my friends study for it [/ QUOTE ] How many exams are there, how long are the exams, how long do they study for, and how long does the whole process take? (Begin study for MCAT to passing MCAT) [/ QUOTE ] The MCAT is one exam with 3 sections. If you want to talk about the Boards they have to take later, that's a different issue. The AREs sound like a professional exam, not something that you take in order to get into graduate school, which would make it a completely different category all together. [/ QUOTE ] OK, my mistake. As I've stated, I'm not that familiar with those tests. Thanks for explaining. Yes, the ARE is the architect's exam to become licensed (along with 3 yrs. minimum internship, and a 5 year degree from an accredited university). FWIW, the ARE is composed of 9 separate 3-5 hour exams. 3 graphic exams: Site Planning, Building Planning, Building Technology 6 multiple choice exams: Pre-Design, General Structures, Lateral Forces, Mechanical & Electrical Systems, Materials & Methods, Construction Documents & Services Most people study for at least a solid month for each test. The soonest you could pass all 9 would likely be between 9-12 months, IF you didn't fail 1 single test. If you fail an exam you have to wait 6 months to retake. You have 5 years to pass all 9. If you do not, it starts over. For most people it takes 2 years to pass all of them. Each test costs about $150 It's teh suck. My friends are in the midst of it, and I'm holding out on it. I disagree with the way they grade it. Each of the 9 exams is broken into sections, and if you fail one section, you fail the whole exam, which to me is BS. The system is not fair, and I believe is primarily set up for beaurocrats to make $$$. 
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#23
07-17-2006, 10:05 PM
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Re: Which is harder: LSAT, MCAT, GMAT, GRE, other?
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This is all second hand as I've only taken the LSAT but I think the order would be MCAT > LSAT > GMAT > GRE. [/ QUOTE ] As someone who teaches all of these tests, this is pretty much spot on. The MCAT requires a lot of actual knowledge that you actually learn in college. The LSAT requires certain reasoning skills that may have devloped in college. The GMAT reruires basic math skills, some grammar rules, and lower level reasoning skills. The GRE is the same as the SAT ~10 years ago except the math may be easier and the vocabulary is ridiculously harder.
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#24
07-17-2006, 10:09 PM
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Re: Which is harder: LSAT, MCAT, GMAT, GRE, other?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] MCAT by far even though i didnt take it, i watched my friends study for it [/ QUOTE ] How many exams are there, how long are the exams, how long do they study for, and how long does the whole process take? (Begin study for MCAT to passing MCAT) [/ QUOTE ] its an 8 hr test my friends took it mid april and began studying christmas break theres 2 exams a year i think. u only need to take one. its tests u on every science. bio. chem. physics [/ QUOTE ] The MCAT does test bio, chem, physics. It also has a verbal reasoning section that's basically reading passages as well as an essay section. Yes, the test lasts approximately 8 hours. Yes, most people who want to get a respectable score study for about 3-6 months before taking the test.
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07-17-2006, 10:19 PM
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Re: Which is harder: LSAT, MCAT, GMAT, GRE, other?
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prohornblower, thats not a standardized test, is it? thats like comparing the BAR to the LSAT [/ QUOTE ] It's applied knowledge and reasoning and whatnot. So I wouldn't call it standardized. If you are a genius you could go in cold and deduce a lot, but you still need to have a large applied knowledge base going in. A typical question would be something like: A client wants to build a 2-storey home in Phoenix, AZ the best option would be A) Orient the home to capture natural breezes B) Face all windows to the North C) Plant tall trees around the Southern and Western facade D) Implement a roof pond Thats what sucks about it, they will give you several "good" options, but you have to deduce which one is the "best".
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#26
07-17-2006, 11:08 PM
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prohornblower, thats not a standardized test, is it? thats like comparing the BAR to the LSAT [/ QUOTE ] FYI a friend’s cousin who was an Architect then switched to law later on in life said he found the BAR to be more difficult than the ARE. But to become an Architect was more work/equally difficult to becoming a lawyer.
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#27
07-17-2006, 11:38 PM
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the physics subject GRE is pretty difficult [/ QUOTE ] Yes. Subject GRE's bear no resemblance whatsoever to the general GRE's, which do strike me as pretty pointless. If you answer 50% of the questions on the physics GRE you've probably done pretty well.
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07-18-2006, 12:05 AM
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Re: Which is harder: LSAT, MCAT, GMAT, GRE, other?
No idea which is harder. I've taken the GRE and LSAT. LSAT was in 91 or 92 right after the scoring changed. I barely studied and scored 168. I spent the entire summer solving books of logic puzzles and managed to kill the logical reasoning section. After working for about 7 years, I decided to go to grad school in economics and took the GRE after taking some upper level math courses like Real Analysis, Linear Algebra, and Differential Equations. I took the test at the last minute and scored well. Quant 800, Analytical (old one no writing sample involved) 770, Verbal (let's just say the monkey did better).
I thought these two were really easy.
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#30
07-18-2006, 01:39 AM
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Re: Which is harder: LSAT, MCAT, GMAT, GRE, other?
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[ QUOTE ] Pre-med kids cheat their [censored] asses off every day of their undergrads, and they study for the MCATs like it's their job. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Not all of us did, but you are right - a TON of the pre-meds cheat their way through and get blasted by the MCAT. Just to echo the above comments - the MCAT is like a comprehensive final exam on 4 years of pre-med curriculum, it is a freaking hard test. I would dare argue that it is harder than any professional test where you can take each test one at a time and retake them if you fail. The MCAT is also curved, so you are in competition against all the other people taking the test at the time.
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