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Old 07-16-2006, 02:50 PM
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Do me a favor, check your PT and tell me how many bb/100 you are winning when you raise KTs utg in a 6 handed game

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+0.12.
I do not think it means anything (28 times).
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Old 07-16-2006, 03:53 PM
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btw, is it standard for you to raise KTs00ted UTG?
for me its an instamuck

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really...I open down to K9s most of the time UTG, and QTs and JTs ~50% of the time, and I consider myself tight. I think against most lineups and table conditions opening KTs UTG will show a profit.
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Old 07-16-2006, 05:21 PM
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His stats are remarkable. How many hands are they based on? If the sample size is significant I play this passively because I think he is going to sd nearly always here no matter how we play it.

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Don`t remeber how many exactly. What I do remeber is that I was rather convinced the stats meant something. So I had a good couple of hands on him and a semi-conscious read that at least did not interfere with his PT-stats. I 3-bet this and catched a K (MHWG against 99) on the turn but I tend to think it was not a good play.

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This guy really is screaming 'mid pair' at us after his pf/flop play. But do you think that a 3-bet/turn lead would frequently make him fold one? Given our equity, it really doesn't need to happen often, but I don't think he'll fold an overpair to a turn or river bet very often either.
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Old 07-16-2006, 05:32 PM
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His stats are remarkable. How many hands are they based on? If the sample size is significant I play this passively because I think he is going to sd nearly always here no matter how we play it.

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Don`t remeber how many exactly. What I do remeber is that I was rather convinced the stats meant something. So I had a good couple of hands on him and a semi-conscious read that at least did not interfere with his PT-stats. I 3-bet this and catched a K (MHWG against 99) on the turn but I tend to think it was not a good play.

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This guy really is screaming 'mid pair' at us after his pf/flop play. But do you think that a 3-bet/turn lead would frequently make him fold one? Given our equity, it really doesn't need to happen often, but I don't think he'll fold an overpair to a turn or river bet very often either.

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A turn 5 or ace would be great for us in case he has a pp. On the other hand he may play a big ace like this but thats less likely. I am still not sure what the correct play is here.
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Old 07-16-2006, 10:54 PM
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Could you please elaborate why you like a 3-bet here. To gain fold equity on the turn?

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It just looks and smelss like a mid pair, no?
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Old 07-16-2006, 11:15 PM
ILOVEPOKER929 ILOVEPOKER929 is offline
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I would call the flop raise, and check/call the turn and check/fold the river if I miss. When a weak-tight raises me in this spot, I dont miss around. Trying to outplay a weak-tight person in this spot is just going to cost you money cuz they dont raise this flop with hands that will fold to pressure.
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Old 07-17-2006, 04:41 AM
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Could you please elaborate why you like a 3-bet here. To gain fold equity on the turn?

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It just looks and smelss like a mid pair, no?

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Yes it does. So why we want to put more money in on the flop as an underdog?
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Old 07-17-2006, 04:55 AM
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Could you please elaborate why you like a 3-bet here. To gain fold equity on the turn?

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It just looks and smelss like a mid pair, no?

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Yes it does. So why we want to put more money in on the flop as an underdog?

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Lurker4's post was great. I don't think we want to gas it here against this guy except in a very rare situation. It kills our implied odds and we're a slight dog at the moment. I'll take my play at the pot on an A or Q turn and capitalize on a T c/r as well as a heart c/r. I see nothing but good things that come from this line.

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Old 07-17-2006, 06:02 AM
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This is almost always a middle pocket pair. Play accordingly.
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Old 07-17-2006, 07:11 AM
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Against a weak-tight player with those stats i think this frequently a mid pair. I'd call and checkraise a turn T, heart, and maybe a A/Q (if he can fold), and bet a K.

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Could you please explain why you would c/r a T but donk a K.

And: Aren`t we better off just betting out when a scare card falls? We put a lot of money in by bluff c/raising the turn relatuve to the pot size.
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