BB special; pushing AKo in family pot a good or bad idea?

jiffypop · #1 07-15-2006, 06:32 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO (t3240)
Button (t1810)
SB (t2390)
Hero (t3365)
UTG (t1960)
UTG+1 (t1170)
MP1 (t4490)
MP2 (t2485)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t100, MP1 calls t100, MP2 calls t100, CO calls t100, Button calls t100, SB completes, Hero raises to t3365, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t3265, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds.

Flop: (t7230) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t7230) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t7230) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t7230

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kh As (one pair, fives).
MP1 has Jc Jh (two pair, jacks and fives).
Outcome: MP1 wins t7230. 

I pushed, reasoning the following:

1) Everyone limped, so I highly doubt I'm against AA/KK and therefore on the short end of a coinflip at worst.
2) I was hoping a push like that would smell like a misguided steal attempt, and get some loose calls.
3) The CL at the table (three to my left) had a VP$IP around 60; see #2.

Two calls and a no-help board later, I'm out thanks to the loose CL having jacks.

Was it a foolish idea to begin with, or am I being results-oriented and made a decent play? Also, how much should I have raised?

Edit:: found the HH

rockin · #2 07-15-2006, 06:40 PM

A shove is a little too much and pretty much announces what you have.

jiffypop · #3 07-15-2006, 06:42 PM

Edited to show stack sizes and all action; aka I found the hand history.

And it was a 45-man SNG.

rockin · #4 07-15-2006, 06:47 PM

I also changed my post based on your HH.

Cornell Fiji · #5 07-15-2006, 09:10 PM

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A shove is a little too much and pretty much announces what you have.

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What you are saying with this reply is that the 8 other players at the table would be saying to themselves "yes, pretty much the only hand that he would push with here is AKo... Thats right, I know with near certainty that he would not make this play with 55-QQ, AQ, and certainly not with AA or KK. He pretty much could have turned his AKo over on the table with his push in that spot"

If that is what you claim. Then sir, I would say that you are wrong.

As for the play... I like it. There is enough dead money in there to make up for the small edge you would lose if called by a pocket pair and with that many limpers in the hand then you have no idea where you stand on a A67 flop if you lead out and get raised.

Stealing the blinds here is a significant increase to your stack your bet is substantial enough that you will take this pot down a decent enough percent of the time to make this profitable.

and although you are probably behind if you are called your judgement is probably correct that you are not dominated (you will not find AA or KK in midposition or later with all of these limpers and limp-raises are not too common here in EP) and there is a marginal yet significant that you go up against a hand that you do dominate.

I think that pushing is clearly the best play here.

Also,