Israel's Attack on Lebanon and Hezbollah

[Cyrus]

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You didn't answer any of the questions above.

[/ QUOTE ]Kinda figured it'd be a waste of my time. Let's read on :

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I assume you support Hezbollah, as you must have supported Bin Ladan.

[/ QUOTE ]Bull's eye again. It's getting predictable.

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[Yuv]

BTW, if you even cared about current news and not another run of your old cliches, you would be able to read enough political analysist talking about how Nasrallah has found himself alone in this battle.

Notice that Iran aren't threating Israel for striking back at Hezbollah, but on a possible action twords Syria, which both Syria and Iran knows won't gonna happen. In other words, Iran are basically covering their asses, threating against something they know won't be done.

Nasrallah is standing alone in this battle, because he is the only one to blame here and he should be taken care of once and for all, for the sake of the region. This has nothing to do with the Palestinians, but since you cannot justify anything that Nasrallah has done, nor can you allow yourself to be a fair and objective viewer of this situation and recognize that for once, no matter how bias you are, you cannot blame this on Israel, you have to go back to your old sayings.

I, as an Israeli, can admit that I have disagreed with our policies in Gaza and the West Bank. I was always against settlements, I was always in favour of a peace process. The entire left wing in Israel took a major blow when the Hamas and Islamic Jihad tore apart the Oslo agreement with a series of suicide bombing in 1996.

We have made our mistakes, they have made theirs. There are two sides to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, both of whom are to blame for their short-term vision and inability to trust eachother.

This isn't the case. Lebanon isn't Gaza.

[Yuv]

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You didn't answer any of the questions above.

[/ QUOTE ]Kinda figured it'd be a waste of my time. Let's read on :

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I assume you support Hezbollah, as you must have supported Bin Ladan.

[/ QUOTE ]Bull's eye again. It's getting predictable.

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Is that seriously the best you can offer? I gave you a full response for a question you asked. You chose to ignore it, since you were taken by surprise. This is getting predictable.

Chances of you replying to any of the stuff I wrote? Close to zero. I should be more careful when I pwn these Noam Chomsky wannabies. They take it really personal.

[Howard Beale]

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In U.S. terms 8 dead Israeli soldiers equals 376 U.S. soldiers. Think about what the U.S. would do if a terrorist organization crossed our borders and killed 376 soldiers.

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Whats your point? Israel goes into lebanon all the time to kidnap people. They are very provocative, agressive, and expansionist. In their minds they don't need a reason to do the things they do. Believe what you want, but Israel's motto is "We want. We need. We take it."

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My point was to put into perspective what 8 dead means to Israel.

Israel has left Lebanon, Gaza and is leaving parts of the West Bank. That may not be enough for you but it is the opposite of 'we want, we need, we take it'. If they wanted it all they could push out all the Arabs in short order but they don't. After the 1967 war they tried to return Gaza to Egypt but they didn't want it. Do you ever wonder why? Jordan, I believe, renounced it's claim to the West Bank. Do you ever wonder why? I think it's because they've had their own horrendous problems with the Palestinians. It's my belief that Israel would withdraw from most of what they are keeping if they could get security but that's a forlorn hope.

And who is it that the Israelis kidnap in Lebanon, taking your claim at face value?

[Cyrus]

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I assume you support Hezbollah, as you must have supported Bin Ladan.

[/ QUOTE ]Bull's eye again.

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Chances of you replying to any of the stuff I wrote? Close to zero. I should be more careful when I pwn these Noam Chomsky wannabies. They take it really personal.

[/ QUOTE ]You're saying I'm a supporter of Hezbollah and Osama bin Laden - and you wanna have a dialogue with me ??

"You lookin' to become a penologist?"

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Notice that Iran aren't threating Israel for striking back at Hezbollah, but on a possible action twords Syria, which both Syria and Iran knows won't gonna happen. In other words, Iran are basically covering their asses, threating against something they know won't be done.


[/ QUOTE ] yuv, you seem to have a decent handle on what is going on. how unlikely to you think it is that israel will extend the scope of their action to syria? do you think it is possible they/you will try to kill Mashaal? clearly syria offers alot of support to hizballah, do you really think it is that unlikely that israel would lob a couple missles at syria in response to their support of hizballah. after the gaza kidnapping fiasco a couple of israeli f16's buzzed assads coastal home. your take?

[Cyrus]

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Let's make it easier on ya tho. A few quick questions, please do not reply in questions, but in answers.

[/ QUOTE ]Where do you get off dictating how the other person responds to you? I'm sure that would make things "easier" for you.

In case you're still reading, sane or elementarily objective persons are not just looking up today's papers to draw their conclusions. They study a bit the background and the history of the conflict.

Israel has managed to drive the Palestinians and the Arabs in general towards radicalisation and terror. (Yes, of courser, Hezbollah are a terrorist organisation. The Middle East is famous for bringing up its future leaders up through the rank of terror. Menachem Begin, f'r instance.)

In achieving this position, and with the overwhelming propaganda coverage in the United States (less so in Europe), Israel has won the game strategically. All it remains is a little bloody mopping up of the towel-head undesirables, into some adjacent area, like Jordan. Hell, if they wanna stay put behind the Wall, inside their li'l Bantustans, let 'em; they're animals anyway, right?

So, what exactly are you looking for here, to "pwn Chomsky wannabes" as you fancily put it? To give an "Israeli anti-war" activist's perspective? Simply to sell crazy maybe? After decades of the same bloody crap, we're pretty stocked up. Thanks.

[Sniper]

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Vast parts of the Arab world and Lebanese themselves are blaming Nasrallah for this crisis.

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"CAIRO - Foreign ministers of 18 Arab countries held an emergency summit in Cairo on Saturday over Israel's expanding assault on Lebanon, but squabbles over the legitimacy of Hezbollah's attacks on Israel - including the capture of two Israel Defense Forces soldiers that sparked the 4-day battle - appeared likely to keep participants from reaching a consensus, delegates said.

The Saudi foreign minister appeared to be leading a camp of ministers criticizing the guerrilla group's actions, calling them "unexpected, inappropriate and irresponsible acts."

"These acts will pull the whole region back to years ago, and we cannot simply accept them," Saudi al-Faisal told his counterparts.

Supporting his stance were representatives of Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Iraq, the Palestinian Authority, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain, delegates said on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the talks."

[Yuv]

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we're pretty stocked up. Thanks.

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Whenever the current situation fail to fit with the theory they brought from home, they have to return to their old demagogic cliches. Who, exactly, are these mysterious "we".

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Vast parts of the Arab world and Lebanese themselves are blaming Nasrallah for this crisis.

[/ QUOTE ]Do you happen to have any evidence, or even indication, for this outrageous claim?


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It's funny, how quick "we" turn from attack to denial.
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"We" seem to have no need to face reality. Why should "we"? Let's throw some of the ol' "Begin was a terrorist" a few "You are killing the poor palestinians" and a funngy cartoon here and there.

What is the point of your own personal interest in the region? I seriously ask. By your own admission, you do not care about the details of the current situation, nor its strategic meaninig (You showed no knowledge of recent events and your "arguments" included Begin and Gaza). So what is it?

Are you a grown man who actually think a complicated conflict like the Israeli-Palestine can be summarize by "Palestine good, Israel bad"?

Do you ever feel the need to re-think, maybe, just maybe, it's not that the entire world is wrong, but maybe there is life outside Chomsky and your top 3 favorite Post-Zionist authors?

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So, what exactly are you looking for here?

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I was looking to discuss current events. I did not know you have to bring your own unbased theories to each threads and ignore anything that has any relevance to the subject in hand and/or ignore anything that the person i'm responding to said.

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it remains is a little bloody mopping up of the towel-head undesirables, into some adjacent area, like Jordan. Hell, if they wanna stay put behind the Wall, inside their li'l Bantustans, let 'em; they're animals anyway, right?

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I'm sure this is the way you think you are winning arguments. Some class D sarcasm from the country that gave you Chandler Bing. But while I might slip a spelling mistake or five (obviously, this isn't my native language), you are extremely outmatched here rethorically. Your view of cynicism is half a step away from ending sentences with "NOT!!!".
Sentences like the one I quoted are the last refugee of the demagogs. When push come to shove, all arguments gone, resort to vague unrelated generalization. I'm sure you have all the information needed for online debates (you seem to be doing it for a quite a while) in your Junior Chomsky handbook, but at some age, you are just getting too old to still be using it.

Best of luck to you, hopefully the world will catch up to you, eventually. The real -we- have a reality to face.

[Yuv]

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Notice that Iran aren't threating Israel for striking back at Hezbollah, but on a possible action twords Syria, which both Syria and Iran knows won't gonna happen. In other words, Iran are basically covering their asses, threating against something they know won't be done.


[/ QUOTE ] yuv, you seem to have a decent handle on what is going on. how unlikely to you think it is that israel will extend the scope of their action to syria? do you think it is possible they/you will try to kill Mashaal? clearly syria offers alot of support to hizballah, do you really think it is that unlikely that israel would lob a couple missles at syria in response to their support of hizballah. after the gaza kidnapping fiasco a couple of israeli f16's buzzed assads coastal home. your take?

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I highly doubt that. If there will be an attempt to take out Mashaal, it will be through a Mossad-type operation, not a full on military strike. Israel won't start a front with Syria.