Gold from mid/hi - Page 9

naphand · #81 09-29-2005, 05:29 PM

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From a Zen perspective your are totally correct Maxx. Hiding from the results is not achieving a detached state of mind.

One is the consequence of ignorance, the other the consequence of complete understanding.

However, if in practice a pseudo-detached state can be achieved by hiding the results (albeit by brute force), this may be enough to realise the error our minds/intellects have been making all along. The realisation of this may just well the "realisation" required to escape the so-called "prison of the intellect" and become detached for real (without the need to hide the results).

Any Zen practice has as its ultimate goal the freeing of attachment to "things", and pretty much ANY practice that achieves this is Zen.

Good luck to you all. And hey! the lesson learned can be applied to other bits of your life too....

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PS
What is the sound of one hand clapping?

Surf · #82 09-29-2005, 07:19 PM

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So I post to invite the mockery of my peers and to pose a question. There are numerous advantages to not looking at your results when you are running bad, perhaps even average. Are there negative consequences to peeking when you are running well?

Krishan

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No results, fool! Your feeble attempts at discovery are pitiful!

Honestly, it's never good for me to look when i'm running well. That's because I'm already feeling good, I'm on my A-game, and I log more hands. A few things can happen when I look at my results:

1) I'm up huge. This is exhilirating, but doesn't really change my outlook at all.

2) I'm up a decent amount. This leaves me semi-satisfied, perhaps irked that all my good hands are not reaping the rewards I had hoped for.

3) I'm not up any significant amount. This bursts my bubble and now i'm not feeling that good about my game and I start to get a tad frustrated.

4) I'm actually down! This is a huge buzzkill and frustrates me that what seems to be such good cards could lose me money.

5) I'm down alot! Very very frustrating, though sometimes inspires me to play more hands/better poker.

So basically, I don't gain anything by looking - I only stand to ruin my good mood and positive attitude towards playing. It may be different for you, but these are my reasons for not looking.

Surf

krishan · #83 09-29-2005, 10:45 PM

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3) I'm not up any significant amount. This bursts my bubble and now i'm not feeling that good about my game and I start to get a tad frustrated.

4) I'm actually down! This is a huge buzzkill and frustrates me that what seems to be such good cards could lose me money.

5) I'm down alot! Very very frustrating, though sometimes inspires me to play more hands/better poker.

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Actually I think my reactions would be the same. No results!! SIR YES SIR.

Krishan

beachbum · #84 10-06-2005, 05:18 AM

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It's a very wierd experience for me. I'm use to having an emotional confrontation at the end of a session where I said, "He'll yeah 2K dollars" or "Ah it's only 30 BB". But now, there is nothing to look forward to or be afraid of. It's very strange.

Also, one of my goals is to not let the game affect my personal life. This becomes trivially easy when you don't know how you are doing. I'm in San Diego on vacation right now and I just had a wonderful lunch with my wife. I put in 3 hours this morning and W$@SD 46%. I'm pretty sure I'm down but not knowing numbers frees me and allows me to focusing on enjoying my day.

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I couldn't agree with this more. I covered up my results last week and it ended up being my best week at 5/10. This is my 2nd week doing it and I'm not sure exactly how I'm doing, but I think I'm playing really well (and running well).

Just like Krishan, I really struggle with letting my poker performance/results dictate how the rest of my life is going. If I'm running bad I'm really not any fun to be around. Things begin to snowball as I become so obsessed with my winrate, that's all I seem to focus on instead of how I'm playing.

I used to cover up my P&L as a daytrader. I don't know why I never thought of this before. I highly recommend.

krishan · #85 10-08-2005, 11:10 AM

Practical question. I don't like to have too much money on the poker sites. I figure I need to withdraw at least twice a month usually. I tend to keep 250 BB to play 4 tables. This somewhat violates the never look at results precept I am trying to follow. Any suggestions?

Krishan

Surf · #86 10-08-2005, 01:54 PM

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Practical question. I don't like to have too much money on the poker sites. I figure I need to withdraw at least twice a month usually. I tend to keep 250 BB to play 4 tables. This somewhat violates the never look at results precept I am trying to follow. Any suggestions?

Krishan

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If you play at multiple skins, then I'd say withdraw from 1 different skin every 2-3 weeks...then you never know your running total, and you prevent a huge pileup. You'll still have a general idea, but the devil's in the details so you'll be fine.

Surf

PokerPadawan · #87 10-12-2005, 05:25 PM

Since everyone here likes reading hand posts so much, why not treat your sessions as live hand posts? I'm on a dry run of cards right now, so I look at it as value bet school. Since all I ever have are marginal hands, I get lots of practice picking out value bets. Plus, when I do have a monster cracked (my boats are winning only 2/3 of the time), I see it as a challenge to lose the least. Since in the long run we have to encounter all these situations eventually, your goal should be to maximize your advantage in every one, no matter how hopeless. If you can get away from a flopped nut flush without losing too much when someone hits a runner runner boat with 72o on you, you can feel really good about yourself, even though you lost a huge pot.

You can be as results-oriented as you want, as long as you see results as being your delta(EV) in each decision. A pot lost where you saved a bet is positive delta(EV), while a value bet missed when you won is negative delta(EV). If your decisions are better than random, you are beating the average every time you play, whether you win or lose.

In the short term, I think to myself, had I had their hand and they had mine, would I have made more money from them? Usually, I know I would, so I feel good.

ihardlyknowher · #88 10-12-2005, 06:09 PM

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I ran 100 samples of 100k hands each for a 1.80 wr, 16.90 sd player.

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Hi Krishan,

I was wondering how did you do your samples of 100K hands. Was it 1000 repetitions of groups of 100 with a wr=1.8 and sd=16.9 or 100K repitions of a single hand where wr=0.018 and sd=0.169?

witeknite · #89 10-12-2005, 11:15 PM

Krishan was reposting what GoT said.

WiteKnite

HighStakesPro · #90 08-07-2006, 07:15 PM

The problem with ignoring results is, most people play poker to win money, and althoug negative results and losing money could be just due to bad luck, you can't go your whole lifetime waiting for the results to swing back into your favor, and that's why people who quit poker after continued bad results might be doing the right thing, even if they are theorettically good enough to have a solid winrate. There's just no sure way to know whether losing is due to bad play or bad luck.