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Recently started playing NL after picking up NLH: TaP. Would like some feedback, specifically on my call on the flop and turn. Thanks in advance!
Reads: Just hit the 2nd orbit on the table so don't have much as far as reads. 2 players that I did have stats folded PF. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver) saw flop|<font color="Green">saw showdown</font> BB ($17.99) UTG ($35.23) UTG+1 ($24.75) <font color="Green">MP1 ($15.78)</font> MP2 ($75.74) <font color="Green">MP3 ($9.75)</font> CO ($5.15) <font color="Green">Hero ($44.30)</font> SB ($6.15) Preflop: Hero is Button with T , 7 . SB posts a blind of $0.10. UTG calls $0.25, <font color="Blue">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $0.25, <font color="Blue">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls $0.25, <font color="Blue">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.25, <font color="Blue">1 fold</font>, BB checks. Called on the button for a single bet hoping to see a good flop. Flop: ($1.35) J , 4 , 6 <font color="Brown">(5 players)</font><font color="Red">BB bets $1</font>, UTG calls $1, <font color="Red">MP1 raises to $2</font>, <font color="Red">MP3 raises to $5</font>, Hero calls $5, BB folds, UTG calls $4, Hero calls $10.53, UTG calls $10.53. Not a terrible flop, I got what I was hoping for in the flush draw. Plus I picked up a backdoor straight draw. Unfortunately, none of my outs are to the absolute nuts, which makes me think that the initial call for $5.00 is a bit loose. However, at this point I am thinking that a couple players have a Jack such as JQ, J10. Others may be on a straight or smaller flush draw. Hopefully, not Ax . After the initial call, I have to call the reraise, but now I'm thinking set (4's or 6's).Turn: ($40.41) 9 <font color="Brown">(4 players)</font>UTG checks, Hero checks. Gladly take the free card... although with 2 players all-in, I'm concerned that if I do make a hand I am not going to get much in the way of payoff. River: ($40.41) 8 <font color="Brown">(4 players)</font>UTG checks, <font color="Red">Hero bets $10</font>, UTG folds. </font> I hit my non-nut hand... I've made a draw, which was the sole reason for calling on the flop, so I have to bet it. Just as I feared, I don't get a call from the remaining player with chips. So no potential side-pot for me. Show down is mostly irrelevant... |
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#2
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I don't like the flop call with so many players left to act. If you were closing the action, it would be a different story. But your draw isn't really all that strong.
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#3
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i agree, the flop call is too loose for my tastes. even though their raises are pretty small, someone could easily be drawing to a higher flush than you.
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#4
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flop call is not good. you called a 5 dollar bet when the biggest stack in the hand only has 3x that to win. which means ur implied odds are 3 to 1 which is less than u hitting your hand. losing call.
you got lucky this time that everyone called the raise but u cant bank on that fact when making these decisions also with a bet, a raise, and a reraise if u miss turn chances of getting a free river are EXTREMELY low |
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#5
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also with a bet, a raise, and a reraise if u miss turn chances of getting a free river are EXTREMELY low [/ QUOTE ] Furthermore, the chances are decent that the original bettor and the first raiser will re-raise, opening up the action again. Calling the flop in a situation like this is much better if there aren't two people still to act that have already shown aggression on the street. The possibility of betting being re-opened is a much more important factor in NL than in limit. |
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#6
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Thanks for all of the comments thus far.. Most of them seem to be inline with my thinking after reviewing the hand.
Although, during the heat of the action I surmised that I was about a 2:1 dog to make my draws (Flush/Straight draws) by the river. Of course, as I stated they were non-nut draws. Once I called the first raise, I felt committed to call the additional raises. |
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#7
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UTG showed you why your flop call was bad. He obviously had a flush draw (or a really loosely played 35), and it was definately higher than yours. Easy fold on the flop, fairly standard fold preflop.
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#8
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UTG showed you why your flop call was bad. He obviously had a flush draw (or a really loosely played 35), and it was definately higher than yours. Easy fold on the flop, fairly standard fold preflop. [/ QUOTE ] I do follow your logic regarding the fold on the flop. However, for a single bet on the button I cannot see folding this preflop? This hand "should" normally be easy to get away with if you don't flop a draw or hit some other miracle flop 77x, etc. |
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#9
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no way is this a fold preflop in position. This is sometimes a call for me even facing a raise. Make it T8sooted, and I may reraise.
The flop, however, pretty as it seems, needs to be folded after a raise, raise, and reraise, even if you were closing the action. |
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