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donger · #1 07-13-2006, 06:29 PM

Villain in this hand is a standard LAGTAG, probably not an awful hand reader. I'm relearning LHE and I was really happy with my handreading and the way I played this hand. Any reason not to be?

Cryptologic
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $10/$20
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Donger is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Donger raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, Donger calls (6.5:1).

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7.5SB, 2 players)
Donger bets, Button calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4.75BB, 2 players)
Donger bets, Button calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6.75BB, 2 players)
Donger checks, Button bets, Donger raises, Button calls.

Results:
Final pot: 10.75BB

True · #2 07-13-2006, 06:37 PM

what do you think villain had, and what reason do you think they would bet the river and call a c/r?

True

donger · #3 07-13-2006, 06:41 PM

villain has either AX, KK QQ JJ (and maybe some smaller pairs).. as a reasonably good hand reader, he valuebets most stuff he pays off with. He pays off the CR b/c it's weird. and sexy.

canada_dry · #4 07-13-2006, 06:42 PM

Sounds like you got real lucky and VIllain had An ace too, possibly a bigger ace than yours and you fluked out on the turn. Your aggressive betting may have lost your opponent if he had a weaker hand. Maybe he had a big pair, or maybe he had KJ and was bluff raising the flop. If you knew he would play his hand aggressively regardless of his holding then leading out was the right play. Otherwise I would have checked and concealed my hand and play the rope-a-dope game. But did you know this. What did Villain end up having?

donger · #5 07-13-2006, 06:46 PM

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Sounds like you got real lucky and VIllain had An ace too, possibly a bigger ace than yours and you fluked out on the turn.

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This guy isn't a bad player. He knows i'm not either (although I pay off too much.) Why is he flatcalling the turn with AK AQ?

canada_dry · #6 07-13-2006, 06:55 PM

Misread on my part: the raising was preflop, calling only on flop and turn....

He could just be calling in order to not lose you ....

donger · #7 07-13-2006, 07:14 PM

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Misread on my part: the raising was preflop, calling only on flop and turn....

He could just be calling in order to not lose you ....

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I think with AX from villains perspective, he has to raise the turn. When else is he going to get 2 BB in? I would have to be retarded to bet-call the river without JJ or Ax.

dave44 · #8 07-13-2006, 07:15 PM

Why donk the flop? Is a check-raise gonna lose him?

Schizo · #9 07-13-2006, 07:18 PM

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Why donk the flop? Is a check-raise gonna lose him?

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Guessing he wants to 3 bet an ace or get a PP to call down

donger · #10 07-13-2006, 07:18 PM

Just to mix things up and maybe set up a play like this. Also, I thought it might disguise my hand a little.

EDIT: Also to set up a turn screwplay. Is this line totally transparent to good players? I have been reconsidering it lately,but it seems like people can't help but bet.