limpers & button

[Buzz-cp]

I've been wondering about pre-flop play from the button on some of these hands when there are already several limpers at LPP tables. I'm also weaning myself off the hand charts. The hands below are those I would be raising with with less limpers, but they leave me wondering about their EV against many players. So, I am left uncertain whether to raise or just call. Please forgive me if I'm missing the most obvious play--I'm still learning!

(all 9 handed)
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Hand 1:
Preflop: Hero is button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
5 limpers, Hero ???.
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Hand 2:
Preflop: Hero is button with 10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 limpers, Hero ???.
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Hand 3:
Preflop: Hero is button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 limpers, Hero ???.
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Hand 4:
Preflop: Hero is button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 limpers, Hero ???.



Edit: typo

[numeri]

I know there are players who will say to raise all four. Personally, I think hand 3 is the weakest.

Hand 1: I just call, but I've been called a weak-tighty.

Hand 2: This one could be a raise.

Hand 3: It could be because I suck post-flop and can't let go, but I think I just limp this.. The problem is the possibility of domination from a passively played AJ, AQ, or even AK.

Hand 4: Definite raise.

[ChuckyB]

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(all 9 handed)
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Hand 1:
Preflop: Hero is button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
5 limpers, Hero calls

You need to hit a seven to win this. Calling will bring in many high cards that can make top pair and pay you off. Raising isn't going to make any of them fold. You folding would be a sin against nature.
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Hand 2:
Preflop: Hero is button with 10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 limpers, Hero calls

Beautiful. Suited connectors, relatively big. Will win you a lot of money if you hit. Shouldn't raise, can't fold. Folding would be like stealing from orphans.
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Hand 3:
Preflop: Hero is button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 limpers, Hero folds/raises

You could make second-best here a lot of times. If you're going to play, you'd have to raise. Fold might be the best play -- depending on your reads. Calling makes Baby Jesus cry.
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Hand 4:
Preflop: Hero is button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 limpers, Hero calls.

[i]If this was KQs raise. KJs is good and worth a call for its good suited/moderate connected/moderate big card value. Raising is better than folding. Folding is like Keanu Reeves in "A Walk In The Clouds"[i]


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[Buzz-cp]

I didn't consider folding any of them. Maybe AT is a raise or fold.

[cammac]

Hand 1: Not a great multiway hand unless you flop a set. I like to call.

Hand 2: Suited, connected, biggish. You can go a long way with a hand like this when it hits. Prefer 5 limpers for a raise, so I probably call, but if the table is playing any two, go for it.

Hand 3: Susceptible to domination. You probably want to raise against 4 limpers but calling isn't the end of the world.

Hand 4: Raise.

[davelin]

1 - Raise
2 - Raise
3 - I'd consider folding this before raising. I'd probably call.
4 - I'd raise this with any number of limpers

[Felipe]

i'm gonna post blind. see what others say later.

call
raise.
call
raise.

I might deviate and raise with AT just once in a while.

edit: ppl don't seem to like AT much. Like I said, i usually call. As for pcktprs, I will raise 99 and up here. Occasionally 88. No wonder my PFR is at 8%.

[ChuckyB]

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I didn't consider folding any of them.

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Thank goodness! I know some people who would.

[EscapePlan9]

call
call
raise
raise

[Shillx]

Sevens are a clear raise. Same goes for JTs. I call with ATo. KJs is a clear raise.

Brad