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Old 07-11-2006, 10:10 AM
DING-DONG YO DING-DONG YO is offline
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Default AK, AQ, AJ getting me in a lot of trouble (LC)

I'm starting to make a jump from 5/10 to 10/20. One thing I have noticed in 10/20 is that these hands are getting me into a lot of trouble. Could just be variance, but a typical hand goes like this:

I raise (doesn't really matter where - UTG-Button) with one of these hands, everyone folds, BB calls.

Flop is pretty dry. I get c/r on flop or just flat called. Call down, fire again, peel one, what?

I know this is a pretty general question, but where do you give up with these hands? I always feel like someone puts me on AK and either hit part of the raggedy board or thinks they can push me off of it. I feel like I'm folding and calling down in the wrong spots.

Any input/advice is appreciated.
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Old 07-11-2006, 10:25 AM
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Default Re: AK, AQ, AJ getting me in a lot of trouble (LC)

vague question, so vague answer

One thing I've tried to do is really analyze the texture of the flop, with these hands, there is nothing wrong with check folding if the flop is horrible.
Also, with the standard hand you are continuation betting, if you are called, really focus on putting your opponent on a hand.
As far as turn play, there is a line from small stakes to the effect of "check with outs, bet when you dont have them"

Another point, reads are crucial - look at vpip, wtsd, w$sd, watch for the showdown clowns, who will call down you AJ on KQ2 board with 23. There is nothing wrong with checking both the turn and the river with a hand with showdown value. On the same line regarding reads, look at fold flop & fold turn numbers, see if someone has a tendancy to peel the flop, but will fold the turn.

Sorry for not being more specific
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Old 07-11-2006, 10:50 AM
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Default Re: AK, AQ, AJ getting me in a lot of trouble (LC)

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No problem. I realize my question was kind of vague and I was looking for more general "what should I be thinking about" answers. Thanks for your response.
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Old 07-11-2006, 11:13 AM
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Default Re: AK, AQ, AJ getting me in a lot of trouble (LC)

This is something that I've dealt with plenty in the past when I made the same jump. There are probably times to take just about every line there is.

When they just call on the flop, don't be too hesitant to pull the trigger again on the turn. People peel the flop with all kinds of trash in these games. On occasion, if I feel there is a solid chance I'm getting checkraised on the turn (bluff or not), I'll go ahead and check the turn and a great deal of the time I will call the river with ace high. I check the turn more with showdownable hands, like ace high, than a QJ type hand that missed.

Another thing to think about is what your image is like at the time. Do people think they can push you around and constanly make plays at you successfully? Do you have a solid winning image where people aren't messing with you?

I'm sure this is a common problem when people go from 5/10 to 10/20 and I believe there have been several threads dealing with the transition from 5/10 to 10/20. I think what pulled me through it was just experience and getting a feel of how your opponents are playing. My advice would be to mix up your play in these spots and try different things. There are plenty of times where i've 3-bet a flop checkraise with an AK that missed.
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Old 07-11-2006, 12:14 PM
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Can someone post a link to these transition from 5/10 to 10/20 threads? I can't find them in search.
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