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#21
07-05-2006, 11:42 AM
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Re: Question on a ruling in my WSOP (#8) event
I think floor made correct decision even though it's too bad you lost - FWIW very similar thing happened to a guy at my table in a live 1-2 cash game at Caesars with a huge pot - guy went ballistic after the floor ruled against him and for the guy that didn't realize that he had made a better hand that the guy who was basically in your position
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#22
07-05-2006, 11:47 AM
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Re: Question on a ruling in my WSOP (#8) event
I am sure there were many winners mucked due to either retarded players or dealers, but as one person replied, what are you doing playing in a 2000 dollar event if you don't know how to read your hand, for the same matter what are you doing dealing the event if you can't read a hand?
Also, explain where the nut low draw is on a 944 board? Just curious, at first I gave you the benifit of the doubt, but now I wonder, aren't you the guy who's budy couldnt find his chips in the shorthanded event? I want some of whatever you two are smoking..... For the record, I'm not tryin to be a prick, just trying to point out some things that make it difficult for me to believe everything that is written....
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#23
07-05-2006, 12:03 PM
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Re: Question on a ruling in my WSOP (#8) event
WarDekar, allow me to apologize for my last post, it is becoming very clear to me that the levels of incompitence (sp?) are very high this year, from the players to the dealers to the floor and cage, this is not to say that there are not people with high levels of expertise in each capacity, but the dunderheads seem to be making their peers look bad, obv with over 1000 people working the event, they are not all going to be the sharpest knives in the drawer. This being said, I think that the people who are above the novice level and below the expert level are the ones who are going to suffer the most. It is my opinion that people should be disciplined based on the severity of their infraction (ie. Floor from the Short Handed event should be fired). The experts are smart enough to watch out for themselves, the rookies/novices don't have a clue and will be actively looking for guidance, and the slighty above average players will be busy trying to look like they know what they are doing/flying under the radar so to speak, and thus the most exploitable due to errors made in regards to rulings etc....
Its a jungle out there, good luck and watch your back
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#25
07-05-2006, 01:48 PM
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Re: Question on a ruling in my WSOP (#8) event
In a word... You got HOSED!!! It is not the responsiblity of the players to call the hands. It's the dealers responsiblity to read the hands correctly. I can't believe that the other player was that stupid and he shouldn't be rewarded for that stupidity. The floor ruling was incorrect. Once the cards are mucked the hand is over. The initial ruling should have stood. Sorry about that. If you lose this tourney... it was because of the incomptence of the dealers and the floor personal.
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#26
07-05-2006, 01:54 PM
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Re: Question on a ruling in my WSOP (#8) event
I'm surprised that the interpretation of the "Cards Speak" rule, is that cards speak if they are properly called by the player and no one can intervene.
I think the ruling was made perfectly with the integrity of the game in mind.
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#27
07-05-2006, 02:01 PM
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Re: Question on a ruling in my WSOP (#8) event
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And again, Seat 2 is a real jerkoff. You don't open your mouth in a pot that doesn't involve you. [/ QUOTE ] People like you are the reason why live poker sucks.
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#28
07-05-2006, 02:10 PM
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Re: Question on a ruling in my WSOP (#8) event
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Once the cards are mucked the hand is over. [/ QUOTE ] That is in error. From Robert's Rules of Poker: [ QUOTE ] Cards thrown into the muck may be ruled dead. However, a hand that is clearly identifiable may be retrieved at management's discretion if doing so is in the best interest of the game. [/ QUOTE ] Not giving a pot to an angle-shooter who doesn't deserve it is in the best interest of the game.
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#29
07-05-2006, 02:52 PM
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Re: Question on a ruling in my WSOP (#8) event
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[ QUOTE ] And again, Seat 2 is a real jerkoff. You don't open your mouth in a pot that doesn't involve you. [/ QUOTE ] People like you are the reason why live poker sucks. [/ QUOTE ] This is one of the few times where I wholly welcome other players speaking up even when not in a hand. I won't lie, I've misread hands before, it happens. It happens even more in LO8 on boards like AA237 when four people table their hands and say nothing.
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#30
07-05-2006, 03:01 PM
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Re: Question on a ruling in my WSOP (#8) event
tom10167,
just to clarify, i think its pretty obvious the OP should have spoken up, or at least not get mad at seat 2 for speaking up. Million$$$Man is the kind of person that makes live poker miserable for me. One time playing live I spoke up as a face up winner was about to be mucked and forgotten, and the guy who the pot was almost pushed to gave me death stares for the next 3 hours. What a [censored] sick jerk.
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