2 Hands From Stars 10/20NL

Bill Ivey · #1 07-02-2006, 03:01 PM

1st Hand:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $20 BB (8 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Button ($3031)
SB ($2824)
BB ($1940)
Hero ($4894)
UTG+1 ($1860)
MP1 ($1927)
MP2 ($3036)
CO ($1807)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $80, 4 folds, Button calls $80, 2 folds.

Flop: ($190) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $120, Button raises to $300, Hero calls $180.

Turn: ($790) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $500, Hero calls $500.

River: ($1790) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $800, Hero calls $800.

Final Pot: $3390

Villain is DuyTheMaster and I think he is very good, I felt like I was just giving him money here because I knew I was beat to a set, but I felt like I kinda had to call. I knew he had TT and I knew if I checked the river he would bet $800, which is a great amount for me to call right?

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2nd Hand

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $20 BB (7 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

MP1 ($1920)
MP2 ($1980)
CO ($5190)
Button ($1747)
SB ($2057)
BB ($2402)
Hero ($2963.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $80, 3 folds, Button calls $80, SB calls $70, 1 fold.

Flop: ($260) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $220, Button calls $220, SB raises to $620, Hero folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: $1320

I think preflop is questionable, I wanted to mix up my image a bit I have a tight image but sometimes I make raises with these hands from any position. Is post flop play standard. I think I folded the 2nd best hand out of the three players in the hand.

Ansky · #2 07-02-2006, 03:34 PM

Call it weaksauce, but I would consider folding the flop in hand 1, you're basically only beating a bluff raise, and I don't really think that is too likely here. Often though I will call the flop to see what happens on the turn, at which point I would fold [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]. Also, river is such a teaser value bet, just save the 800. You're in an all around terrible position in hand 1, and once you call the flop and go into check/call mode, your hand is so obviously AK or AA and duy can play so well against you because he knows what you have. Just chuck it on the flop

Hand 2 I like, unless bb is crazy or something, as you are either slightly ahead to a monster draw, or way behind to a set or straight. If you had 65 though, I don't think I would fold.

Roman · #3 07-02-2006, 03:46 PM

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If you had 65 though, I don't think I would fold.

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whats the difference between 65 and 64?

Jason Strasser (strassa2) · #4 07-02-2006, 03:50 PM

Against DUY, hand 1 is terrible. Probably fold to the turn bet, if you dont fold on the flop.

In hand 2, it seems like the best case scenario is that you get it in as a very slight favorite, and the worst case scenario is that you get it in drawing to 2-4 outs. I think your play is reasonable.

Ansky · #5 07-02-2006, 04:00 PM

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If you had 65 though, I don't think I would fold.

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whats the difference between 65 and 64?

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A lot more equity against certain combo hands, and w/65 ur beating 64 (a hand that could def be in villains range)

MDMA · #6 07-02-2006, 04:02 PM

Hand1 is just entirely player dependant, against most solid players you actually have a rather easy fold on the flop. Only reason to ever call flop against such a player is if opposition is bad enough to give up/check behind if called on flop and they have a weaker holding enough of times, e.g where the players turn action will very often given you a lot of information about his holding. A lot of players are, even against people that are almost rocks (e.g never raising w/ air, never making moves, playing predictably 98% of the time), still calling flop only to fold to the turnbet that will come with 95% certainty. Such play is just SPEW, and still people routinely do it. Call the raise, check fold flop, it's automatic for them, when they should realize they'd be better of just folding the flop in the first place. Most people aren't dragons, and as such, you can often safely fold on this fold. If buddy, bld or for example strasser raises you, you obvioulsy can not since you will get overrun. If DUY is a guy seldom making moves and playing a soldig, mostly predictable game w/o much moves at all, then just fold the flop and be done w/ it.

As for hand2 it's basically the same. If he's a guy that would c/r you both w/ 77 or 76 or just a flushdraw or even air here a lot, or things like that, obv you can't fold without getting overrun and you'll definately be ahead of his range. If he's a guy that generally has top two pair/open ended straightdraw and flushdraw at least, like 85% of the time, you can probably fold, although this fold is MUCH harder to do against even rather unimaginative/non-tricky players than the AK-hand is.

It's impossible to answer both these questions in a general way, they are pretty much entirely opponent-specific imo.

But let me say that against most unknowns, hand1 is a MUCH easier fold than hand2, and it's not close.

CanIPlayII · #7 07-02-2006, 05:09 PM

Hand 1- It would be a good fold on the flop and an easy one on the turn.
Hand 2- PUSH. If you are going to raise 6-4s UTG and then hit 2 pair, how many better flops are you looking for? Your play is consistent with a C-bet from A-K looking to take it down. SB has a medium pair or FD.

Roman · #8 07-02-2006, 08:43 PM

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If you had 65 though, I don't think I would fold.

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whats the difference between 65 and 64?

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A lot more equity against certain combo hands, and w/65 ur beating 64 (a hand that could def be in villains range)

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64 is not def in his range

Ansky · #9 07-02-2006, 09:14 PM

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If you had 65 though, I don't think I would fold.

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whats the difference between 65 and 64?

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A lot more equity against certain combo hands, and w/65 ur beating 64 (a hand that could def be in villains range)

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64 is not def in his range

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64s is not likely, and I'd definitely discount it, but it's in his range a non-zero % of the time.

hmmm i just realized he's sb and not BB, so yeah its really insignificant, nevermind.

g-p · #10 07-02-2006, 10:16 PM

i think hand 2 is a push considering that he can make this play with any two cards and be profitable