|
|
#21
06-23-2006, 01:21 PM
|
|||
|
|||
Re: river checkraise vs. a bay101 prop
I disagree. On the turn I can't trust him to bet because his range is still very wide. Doesn't mean the turn checkraise is bad, for the reasons that dd mentioned (might allowing me to pick up a river bet rather than a turn fold, and metagame benefits)
However, on the river, any mediocre prop with an ounce of aggressiveness (this guy has more than an ounce) will value bet a J, because it looks like I have AK, AQ, or TT and below and will pay off. And I think he has a J a great deal of the time. 
|
|
#22
06-23-2006, 06:26 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: river checkraise vs. a bay101 prop
Sorry for the tangent guys butI'm stuck on this part:
[ QUOTE ] MP is an older prop. He plays very tight, seems to hand read decent and from what i would guess is your typical straightforward-tight-nitty-live-ok-winning-player. [/ QUOTE ] What the hell does a "winning" player cold call pf, call the flop AND call the turn with here? I can't think of any hand he has played remotely well here. I wouldn't play it thisway but I could see AQs not being a horrible cold call if you think there will be mutliple callers, but how do you not raise on the turn here or, failing that, just fold?
|
|
#23
06-23-2006, 06:33 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: river checkraise vs. a bay101 prop
Live games are different from online. You can make mistakes like this and still be better than 80% of the table. Add in your $30/hr in prop pay and boom you are a winning player.
|
|
#24
06-25-2006, 08:40 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: river checkraise vs. a bay101 prop
Betting the river is best imo.
He could have many different hands. He could have a 2 and wanted to keep the tirth player in on the flop and cr on the turn. The 3th player folded, he knew you had a high pp and he didn't want to bet the turn because he knew that you would throwing your money in which he prefered. So he was planning a check raise on the river and this makes it even more profitable for him. So if he had the 2, it was not smart. He could have JQ or JK. He would not try to bet on the river with a J because you where betting all the time and there is a possible straight on the board. But he might call your bet, so better would be better here. I don't see him betting with a hand that you can beat especially because it's a good player and a good player would put you on a high pp. But I do see him calling with a hand you can beat. (the Jx)
|
|
#25
06-25-2006, 04:02 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: river checkraise vs. a bay101 prop
i dont think theres any way he leads out on the river here, and if so its a lot less likely than he will probably c/c a bet, or c/f the river.
i would probably just bet out because you are definitly not going to get paid off from a river c/r unless he puts you on a total bluff.
|
|
#26
06-26-2006, 12:57 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: river checkraise vs. a bay101 prop
[ QUOTE ]
Betting the river is best imo, He could have many different hands. He could have a 2 and wanted to keep the tirth player in on the flop and cr on the turn. The 3th player folded, he knew you had a high pp and he didn't want to bet the turn because he knew that you would throwing your money in which he prefered. So he was planning a check raise on the river and this makes it even more profitable for him. So if he had the 2, it was not smart. He could have JQ or JK. He would not try to bet on the river with a J because you where betting all the time and there is a possible straight on the board. But he might call your bet, so better would be better here. I don't see him betting with a hand that you can beat especially because it's a good player and a good player would put you on a high pp. But I do see him calling with a hand you can beat. (the Jx) [/ QUOTE ] A deuce is the least likely card for him to hold. Vs. an utg raiser, the straight is possible but not nearly in my range and the least of his worries.
|
|
#27
06-26-2006, 01:01 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: river checkraise vs. a bay101 prop
[ QUOTE ]
i dont think theres any way he leads out on the river here, and if so its a lot less likely than he will probably c/c a bet, or c/f the river. i would probably just bet out because you are definitly not going to get paid off from a river c/r unless he puts you on a total bluff. [/ QUOTE ] I am first to act, I don't understand the first part of your analysis. Also, river checkraisees get paid off, period.
|
|
#28
06-26-2006, 01:24 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: river checkraise vs. a bay101 prop
What Bill is saying is that if you check there is no way that this guy bets and if he does he probably doesn't call your raise. His point is that you are more likely to get a call if you bet out and at least garner one bet. Plus, if it's who I think it is, you would not get called with your checraise unless you were beat.
|
 |
|
|
Linear Mode
