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Old 06-08-2006, 12:55 PM
The DaveR The DaveR is offline
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Default Re: PokerBob gets screwed at work. What would you do?(tl;dr)

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this all happened at the meeting we had last week.

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You asked them if the arrangement was fair?
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Old 06-08-2006, 01:04 PM
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this all happened at the meeting we had last week.

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You asked them if the arrangement was fair?

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i didn't really have to. once i laid out my proposal, TNG said he was not comfortable with it, as it is not what he was promised. one of the teachers not affected (he teachers other courses) then asked TNG if he thought my proposal was fair. TNG balked at responding.

the other teachers in the department who teach biology, anatomy, etc. don't seem to want to get involvled. i'm guessing because they simply don't want to deal with TTWC.
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Old 06-08-2006, 01:05 PM
El Ishmael El Ishmael is offline
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Default Re: PokerBob gets screwed at work. What would you do?(tl;dr)

Pokerbob,

How are you allowed to teach? I can imagine you going on raging tilt in the middle of class.
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Old 06-08-2006, 01:14 PM
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Default Re: PokerBob gets screwed at work. What would you do?(tl;dr)

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this all happened at the meeting we had last week.

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You asked them if the arrangement was fair?

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i didn't really have to. once i laid out my proposal, TNG said he was not comfortable with it, as it is not what he was promised. one of the teachers not affected (he teachers other courses) then asked TNG if he thought my proposal was fair. TNG balked at responding.

the other teachers in the department who teach biology, anatomy, etc. don't seem to want to get involvled. i'm guessing because they simply don't want to deal with TTWC.

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I don't know if I'm being a nit, but it seems like you should have put the onus on them to explain how the original proposal was fair, given other facts you've laid out. Such as historically not shafting one teacher with all the undesireable classes.

Edited to add: "So you guys see nothing wrong with giving me 100% of the classes that none of us want, while simultaneously giving me 0% of the class that I created and have been wildly successful in? Don't wait for the translation! Yes or no? I am prepared to wait for my answer until hell freezes over!"


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Old 06-08-2006, 01:26 PM
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this all happened at the meeting we had last week.

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You asked them if the arrangement was fair?

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i didn't really have to. once i laid out my proposal, TNG said he was not comfortable with it, as it is not what he was promised. one of the teachers not affected (he teachers other courses) then asked TNG if he thought my proposal was fair. TNG balked at responding.

the other teachers in the department who teach biology, anatomy, etc. don't seem to want to get involvled. i'm guessing because they simply don't want to deal with TTWC.

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I don't know if I'm being a nit, but it seems like you should have put the onus on them to explain how the original proposal was fair, given other facts you've laid out. Such as historically not shafting one teacher with all the undesireable classes.

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i said "in the past, we have tried to 'spread the wealth', so to speak." everyone basically just sat there unresponsive.

i also said that i don't think any one teacher should dominate all of the AP courses, including myself. i then stated that if it worked out that i couldn't teach AP Physics, that I'd be more than happy to teach AP Chem. I likely wouldn't be as good at it as I am at the physics, but I'm sure I'd eventually get the hang of it. It may actually be good for the department to have several teachers qualified to teach several different courses. This did not please TTWC in the least, as I am SURE she felt that I would never want to teach the AP Chem, and thus she had me in a corner. (Daddy called her bluff). But in the interest of fairness, I was willing to teach it. basically, i work with dolts.
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Old 06-08-2006, 01:38 PM
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Default Re: PokerBob gets screwed at work. What would you do?(tl;dr)

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this all happened at the meeting we had last week.

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You asked them if the arrangement was fair?

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i didn't really have to. once i laid out my proposal, TNG said he was not comfortable with it, as it is not what he was promised. one of the teachers not affected (he teachers other courses) then asked TNG if he thought my proposal was fair. TNG balked at responding.

the other teachers in the department who teach biology, anatomy, etc. don't seem to want to get involvled. i'm guessing because they simply don't want to deal with TTWC.

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You need to be able to lead a conversation. Once he balks, you chime in with, "So it's not fair? Well, then it seems like my plan is more equitable. It sounds like you're on board."
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Old 06-08-2006, 01:44 PM
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Default Re: PokerBob gets screwed at work. What would you do?(tl;dr)

In sales there is a tactic called the take away. I recommend you approach the BMOC at take something off the table unless a fairer solution is provided - meaning you. Explain that you are prepared to leave due to the hostile environment fostered by the new management, that you work for love of the students not for money (hence your 1 year leave). Its too late to find a replacement, I think you have a 40-55% chance of succeeding with my strategy.

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Old 06-08-2006, 02:25 PM
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In sales there is a tactic called the take away. I recommend you approach the BMOC at take something off the table unless a fairer solution is provided - meaning you. Explain that you are prepared to leave due to the hostile environment fostered by the new management, that you work for love of the students not for money (hence your 1 year leave). Its too late to find a replacement, I think you have a 40-55% chance of succeeding with my strategy.

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the problem here is that if i leave them high and dry now, i may be damagin my prospects for future employment as i am likely breaching my contract. i am not sure if i am willing to take that risk, at least not yet.
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Old 06-08-2006, 02:27 PM
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4) Where is the science department head in all of this? In the two schools I taught, the department head was in charge of the scheduling, not the AP.

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we don't have department heads, thus the chaos.
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Old 06-08-2006, 02:30 PM
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In sales there is a tactic called the take away. I recommend you approach the BMOC at take something off the table unless a fairer solution is provided - meaning you. Explain that you are prepared to leave due to the hostile environment fostered by the new management, that you work for love of the students not for money (hence your 1 year leave). Its too late to find a replacement, I think you have a 40-55% chance of succeeding with my strategy.

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the problem here is that if i leave them high and dry now, i may be damagin my prospects for future employment as i am likely breaching my contract. i am not sure if i am willing to take that risk, at least not yet.

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Start looking for another district. Then evaluate your options.
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