Interesting 20 Hand Against Pro

Jeffage · #1 06-05-2006, 12:02 AM

Villian is well known successful pro in these games...prob has good numbers on me. Folded to villain on the button who raises. I three bet in the SB with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. BB folds, villain calls. Heads-up to flop of 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I bet, villain calls. The turn is the 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I check, villain checks. The river is the 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I bet, villain raises and I call.

Thoughts?

Thanks,
Jeff

ihardlyknowher · #2 06-05-2006, 12:04 AM

I would not bet the river.

mscags · #3 06-05-2006, 02:56 AM

I like it because I think a large percentage of the time he will be doing this with another ace, but im curious as to why you didn't just c/c the river to induce bluffs from worse hands? I'd rather not put in two bets on this river if I could avoid it.

mterry · #4 06-05-2006, 03:37 AM

does anyone fire again on the turn?

ILOVEPOKER929 · #5 06-05-2006, 04:28 AM

I think your turn play is fine, your river play is terrible IMO. The last thing you want to do is invest 2BB's on this river with your hand. So either bet/fold or check/call, and given the action of this hand, I think check/calling the river is the far superior strategy.

I understand your turn line, you were checking with the intention of calling to get to the showdown cheaply so you never get outplayed off the best hand against this guy. Given the texture of the flop, getting bluffraised on the turn is real possibility if this guy uses his position wisely. So I like your turn play, next time check/call the river after this action.

Jeffage · #6 06-05-2006, 06:52 AM

Villain is Brocathamel - I'm surprised no one sees what I'm doing on the turn/river here (I understand it would "usually" be better to check twice). I'll explain a little later, hopefully can get some more responses.

Jeff

tongni · #7 06-05-2006, 06:54 AM

Seems good, everyone who says it is bad would be like "wow, awesome" if you just showed the bet, got called and won. I would usually call on the river but can find a fold every once in a while. Checking to induce a bluff sucks for obvious reasons.

ALL1N · #8 06-05-2006, 07:08 AM

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So either bet/fold or check/call

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Well well well. My favourite 2 options are the other 2: bet/call and check/fold [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

piki · #9 06-05-2006, 07:14 AM

I like it. I believe you have a value bet on the river, and villains raise is wierd. But would he be giving you a free card on the turn on this board with a pair or better? The only hand I see you beat with is JT and that hand makes sense, but villain might be itching to fold our A high on the river when we bet.

I am not sure what to think about inducing bluffs by checking again on the river. If I was in villains place, I would percieve Jeffage's hand as one that is ready to soak up our bluffs unless an ugly card rivers. When Jeffage bets the river, his range actually widens - no longer he's simply content to go to a showdown, he might also have a much worse hand that has to bluff on the river. Thus, it is possible that villain is more likely to bluff if Jeffage bets the river. Inducing a bluff by betting pwns. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-pix

krishan · #10 06-05-2006, 08:21 AM

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Villain is Brocathamel - I'm surprised no one sees what I'm doing on the turn/river here (I understand it would "usually" be better to check twice). I'll explain a little later, hopefully can get some more responses.

Jeff

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I don't know about the turn check. The river bet/call is pretty standard I think.

Krishan