2005 U.S. Poker Championship - Page 7

ClonexxSA · #61 05-31-2006, 08:30 AM

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There is one thing you are forgetting about this hand. Haveson has a huge reputation as being a VERY tight player. Juanda knows this and this early in the tournament you can be fairly sure he is tossing JJ/AK away to a re-reraise of that size from Haveson. With his reputation, it can only mean KK or AA.

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Wasn't actually forgetting it, just didn't know it. I've only seem Haveson play a very few hands on TV. I'll take your word on it. It seems if you had that tight an image that your opponents are folding premium hands to your 3rd raise that would be easy for you to exploit. If you're saying he's not smart enough to do that, again I'll have to take your word on it.

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I have no idea if Haveson is smart enough to do that, but I have never seen him make any sort of tricky/weird play. When he has entered a pot, it has always been with a pair or premium hand.

I think it may come down to lack of imagination/innovation more so then lack of intelligence. He is just a super tight rock who doesn't really change his style up a lot.

John D'Agostino was interviewed in the 2nd hour of the coverage and was asked about Haveson. He basically said that you want to play lots of small pots with him and no big pots because in a big pot, he is always holding a huge hand.

berya · #62 05-31-2006, 11:58 AM

"The first ten minutes of this show has been more entertaining than most of the 2-hour WPT episodes this season"

The first ten minutes of this show was comedy hour. I don't remember laughing this hard watching a poker show. Freaking hilarious.

Wetdog · #63 05-31-2006, 12:28 PM

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A pot size total somewhere on the screen would help.

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It was above the community card graphics during some pots, but not for others. No idea why.

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Missed that entirely. Do you think that ESPN didnt show pot size on every hand was b/c they didnt know how much was in the pot? If thats the case its just silly on ESPN's part.

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I think that the crews that cover these events don't know that this would be important to the viewer. If the floor director had a form to fill out that would request all this info it would help in post production. It could ask:
1 Players
2 Antes
3 Pot size
4 Action before the cameras came

But then how would they know that and who would give that info? Would the players give that?

These are the same production staff that cover darts, billiards, dominoes, bowling etc. They don't know everything about all the events they cover. They just take the pictures.

acoustix · #64 05-31-2006, 12:53 PM

Anyone else notice Funston's string bets and the fact that nobody called him on it? At one point he actually said "I'll see your.... and raise....". Maybe they felt bad for him, but I would have called it out. For 10k, I would expect someone to know what they are doing.

dlk9s · #65 05-31-2006, 02:48 PM

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Anyone else notice Funston's string bets and the fact that nobody called him on it? At one point he actually said "I'll see your.... and raise....". Maybe they felt bad for him, but I would have called it out. For 10k, I would expect someone to know what they are doing.

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It was a very poorly run tournament.

On the flip side of that scenario, my friend, maybe midway through the tournament, accidentally string raised. He was short stacked and had one stack of one denomination and one stack of another. He went all-in without saying so - he just moved the stack of bigger denominations in, then went back for the smaller denominations. He realized as soon as he did it that he screwed up.

The thing is, it seemed like the other players were going to let it slide, but a guy who had just sat down at the table (hadn't even been dealt a hand yet), called him on it. The other players, while understanding, obviously, that it was an illegal string bet, got pissed at the guy because he wasn't even in the hand. Even Men Nguyen told the guy to shut it.

The floor was called and when my friend was asked if he string bet, he said yes and pulled the smaller stack back with no argument.

In the end, it was an effective bet, since everyone knew he was pushing after the flop, anyway. The other two or three players already in the hand folded.

Thought it was funny that everyone got pissed at the "nit," while my friend was the only one who didn't care, since he knew he made a mistake.

Dromar · #66 06-01-2006, 02:16 AM

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The first guy that got knocked out was the best.

"I actually prefer playing against good players, they are more predictable."

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Yep, playing with the "predictable" Phil Ivey and Hoyt Corkins is always +EV.

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I predict they'll win. So they are somewhat predictable.

FGators · #67 06-01-2006, 01:42 PM

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I didn't see the whole show but Funston was so beyond bad and donkish that serious analysis would've looked so out of place, like having Marv Albert doing a Harlem Globetrotters game. I don't mind missing out on the sizes of the blinds or not seeing folded hole cards - actually, who cares about folded hole cards?

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I personally do. It helps me to learn about the game and how the players apply the Gap Concept, etc.

jgunnip · #68 06-05-2006, 04:12 PM

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The first guy that got knocked out was the best.

"I actually prefer playing against good players, they are more predictable."

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Yep, playing with the "predictable" Phil Ivey and Hoyt Corkins is always +EV.

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Just watching on espn2 right now...I about spit out my food when i heard him say this. defintely the dumbest I'll hear today...

trumpman84 · #69 06-05-2006, 05:06 PM

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The first guy that got knocked out was the best.

"I actually prefer playing against good players, they are more predictable."

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Yep, playing with the "predictable" Phil Ivey and Hoyt Corkins is always +EV.

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Just watching on espn2 right now...I about spit out my food when i heard him say this. defintely the dumbest I'll hear today...

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whenever someone says this, he means "I prefer playing against weak/tight players"

RedAces7 · #70 06-05-2006, 05:58 PM

One thing that im surprised hasnt been mentioned yet is when the guy flopped the wheel and Kathy Leibert flopped top set. I think she bet he raised and she made a huge reraise and he just called???? And then when the board pairs on the turn he then decides to go all in? Wtf that was very strange. How do you not get all in on that flop all day I dont know but to then wait untill your drawing dead before you get your chips in hmmm.