Venetain Dilemma

[TStoneMBD]

havent read the replies but its pretty standard for a casino to want to force you to pay higher rake than $1/hand. its not because they want to rape you persay, its because they need that table/dealer to spread a new game that will collect more rake for the house and satisfy more players in the meantime.

[RR]

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You're taking this way out of context I didn't stand and watch to see that they were tipping so I wouldn't know if they weren't tipping and I don't care, if they don't tip they don't tip. I was just trying to help the dealers. Grave shift is tough they never get all their hours and alot of people don't tip. I came from Atlantic city where I could never had said that. But wished I could sometimes.

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I am familiar with the exact context. I know someone that used to work the floor on grave in a poker room. His answer was for a late night rake reduction was always "no rake, just take care of the dealers." After he left that postition a dealer on that same shift lost his job when he was caught telling a 3 handed game he wouldn't rake as long as they tipped him. These two things are not the same, but being honest is not enough; everything must appear to be honest also, your statement can very well be taken as an offer of a quid pro quo.

[pokerfloor]

Well any dealer that would do that should be fired.
we do no rake almost every night if the game gets to two or three players to try to keep the game going we are trying to win players these people loved it.
they only played about another hour but were happy when they left.

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we do no rake almost every night if the game gets to one or two players

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Woot! I can play alone with no rake at Caesars. I'll be there Tuesday. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[ellenwheels]

Depends on the tournament. 3 percent of a smaller buy in tournament that lasts, oh say 7 hours...where it means that amount is divided up maybe 100 ways or more.

The dealers are not buying BMW's with our 3 percent.

And it's not my satisfaction, I'm not a dealer. Just a decent tipper.

[ellenwheels]

Yes. And anyway, I hope he didn't phrase it that way. I would be very surprised, that being a sort of blackmail-ish way to say it. I would imagine it was more of a "no rake guys but dont' forget your dealer please." Or something like that.

Well I guess if they knew to ask but didn't tip it must be that all the dealers were terrible because everybody tips if the dealer is doing a good job.

[pokerfloor]

In our daily tournys the dealers average about $8 a down

[RR]

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Well any dealer that would do that should be fired.
we do no rake almost every night if the game gets to two or three players to try to keep the game going we are trying to win players these people loved it.
they only played about another hour but were happy when they left.

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Of course the dealer should be. It is important not only to not attempt to "force" or trade off for tips, it is important that there be no appearance of this sort of thing.

[Mason Malmuth]

If you want to tip lots of money that's fine and it's also your business. I have no problem with that.

But in my opinion, rakes and time charges for poker players are way too high, and tournament juice has become exorbinant. For example, I pay from $12 to $18 an hour just to sit at the table in the games I play in, and that's before any tips.

MM

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi pokerfloor:

To be fair, what you may have said may have been taken out of context above and perhaps if I was there it might not have been so bad. However, you need to keep two things in mind.

First off, almost all poker players are aware that dealers do work for tips. This would be especially true of those playing late at night in a short handed game.

Second, the best way to keep your games full through the night is to run your room well in all aspects. This includes good dealers who deal quietly and efficiently, and floor people who understand the needs and problems of their customers.

Best wishes,
Mason