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[adanthar]

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How is this relevant?

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"He got it somehow" is right. He's solid and likes long sessions where he stacks 2.5 people. If he pushed with 2 pair he wouldn't have 7K.

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Yes, because I think K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] does not open-limp PF tht often. I think a smaller suited connector is much more likely.

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I don't think you get that from villain's perspective, pushing something like 87h is almost a bluff.

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How is this relevant?

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"He got it somehow" is right. He's solid and likes long sessions where he stacks 2.5 people. If he pushed with 2 pair he wouldn't have 7K.

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Come on, adanthar. I've seen the donkiest of the donkeys sporting 7K stacks. Unless we know he has been playing a really long session where he stacked lots of people with the nuts, I think you are concluding a bit too much from his stack size. Are you also telling me that people who are willing to bluff on this river never amass 4xBI stacks?

[adanthar]

Kramer,

-"solid"
-7K
-calls the flop, minraises the turn, pushes to a 2/3ish bet on the river
-Hero has bet, bet/called, bet so far

I know you are looking for reasons to call, but a "solid" 10/20 regular is going to be "out of the ordinary" when he pushes a weak flush (vs an unknown) because, well, he can read hands.

[jamazon]

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adanthar -

Good points. I guess it's this

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-"solid"

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where I still question the validity. How vetted is this obervation? Do we know this guy? Have stats on him? And how long have we actually seen him "do nothing out of the ordinary?"

[adanthar]

I think I have to repeat that I have no idea whether I would call this or not and it would depend on how the game was playing - for all I know bluffing this is standard.

If it's not a bluff, though, he is a moron or has the nuts.

[jamazon]

In this particular hand, Hero has decided that he's going to the felt no matter what. So our next concern is how to get it all in when he's ahead to offset the times that he's toasted. Which line do you think has a higher chance of accomplishing this goal?

Check-raise to a huge overbet at the river on a flush possible board after calling a turn min raise or use a blocking bet that indicates weakness so the aggressor can follow through with his aggression?

I must note that if Villian loves his lower flush enough to call that huge check-raise, there's at least 55% he will raise the blocking bet.

[CanIPlay]

Don't go broke in an unraised pot.

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Don't go broke in an unraised pot.

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I hate this statement. Mostly because just about no one uses it correctly.

[Dakine69]

Chaos,

I'm with Adanthar on this one. Unless villian has shown river bluffs or tendencies to overplay hands this is a fold.

That fact that you have the J and Q is significant

I like a check on riv and depending on villians bet-raise or call