Who can fold this flopped straight? (from the SB).

jmillerdls · #1 05-10-2006, 03:02 AM

I did...but should I have?

I feel I have a very good read on this guy (CO). He's at about 5 of my 8 tables. Other than preflop, he doesn't seem to get out of line much. I've seen him slow down drastically post-flop, even on some hands where he has raised it up preflop.

He's 36/18/2.
His PFR is made up of PURELY $5 raises.
If its from early position, its a big hand.
If it is after a raise, it's a big hand.
If no one has opened, or there are limpers he will do it with suited aces, pocket pairs, and bigger broadway hands.

*Note, he didn't raise preflop, so I don't put him on any of the above hands.

My thinking is...the only hands that can make that raise are nut flush draws (he would have raised preflop), overpairs (he would have raised preflop)...sets (he would have raised his pocket pair preflop)...or the straight.

So, my only question was whether I wanted to get in a huge pot for a push...and possibly with the smaller end of it.

Can you guys lay this down? Is it a mistake to do this with such a big hand?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($116.05)
Button ($25.58)
SB ($17)
Hero ($81.50)
UTG ($56.55)
UTG+1 ($36.15)
MP1 ($44.70)
MP2 ($49.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: ($2.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets $2.5, UTG calls $2.50, MP2 folds, CO raises to $10, Hero folds, UTG calls $7.50.

traz · #2 05-10-2006, 03:07 AM

you might as well just paypal me your money

Misanthrope · #3 05-10-2006, 03:10 AM

I havent read your post just looked at the hand. Never do this again.

jmillerdls · #4 05-10-2006, 03:10 AM

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lol.

One quick note. I don't make a habit of making big laydowns. In fact, it is very rare. However, I have been playing with this guy all night (about 500 hands so far), and felt pretty confident in how he was playing.

Don't expect this to become a regular thing [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

jmillerdls · #5 05-10-2006, 03:12 AM

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I havent read your post just looked at the hand. Never do this again.

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Well, you've got to read it.

Tell me, you have seen this guy stay "in-line" postflop all night...what do you put him on that would make this raise?

kolotoure · #6 05-10-2006, 03:15 AM

A set/2 pair

Keyser. · #7 05-10-2006, 03:16 AM

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I havent read your post just looked at the hand. Never do this again.

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Well, you've got to read it.

Tell me, you have seen this guy stay "in-line" postflop all night...what do you put him on that would make this raise?

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96, 79, 67, misclicks preflop, and also the fact that he might not be quite as predictable as you think.

But hey, the thing with hands like this is that 2p2 community will say "ZOMG MORAN HOW COULD YOU FOLD SECOND NUTS!" But you're the one playing at the table and if it's your read that you're beat, then you should stick with your reads.

But seriously, how could you fold the second nuts?

traz · #8 05-10-2006, 03:17 AM

2pair, a set, flush draw with overs, some combo draw....all of which you're ahead of

Misanthrope · #9 05-10-2006, 03:18 AM

exactly 1 hand beats you T8. There is absolutely no way you can put this guy on exactly that hand. They could have AA for all you know, you have only seen 500 hands.

Edit: where did i get 500 from?

jmillerdls · #10 05-10-2006, 03:23 AM

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I havent read your post just looked at the hand. Never do this again.

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Well, you've got to read it.

Tell me, you have seen this guy stay "in-line" postflop all night...what do you put him on that would make this raise?

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96, 79, 69, misclicks preflop. Also the fact that he might not be quite as predictable as you think.

But hey, the thing with hands like this is that 2p2 community will say "ZOMG MORAN HOW COULD YOU FOLD SECOND NUTS!" But you're the one playing at the table and if it's your read that you're beat, then you should stick with your reads.

But seriously, how could you fold the second nuts?

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lol..well. I don't put him on two pair, because I just don't see him thinking that is good against the blinds given how the action has gone.

However, those hands are far more likely than a set or flush draw in my eyes.

Looking back, I definately think I overlooked those.

He was certainly the only person I played with tonight that I'd consider laying that hand down to...but I guess I probably wouldn't do so again given the general horror displayed here.

On to the results...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($116.05)
Button ($25.58)
SB ($17)
Hero ($81.50)
UTG ($56.55)
UTG+1 ($36.15)
MP1 ($44.70)
MP2 ($49.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: ($2.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets $2.5, UTG calls $2.50, MP2 folds, CO raises to $10, Hero folds, UTG calls $7.50.

Turn: ($24.75) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, CO checks.

River: ($24.75) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, CO bets $12, UTG calls $12.

Final Pot: $48.75

UTG has 8c Kc (one pair, nines).
CO has Td 8h (straight, ten high).
Outcome: CO wins $48.75.