Can you Ace my quiz?

[subzero]

Hand 1: call? according to PokerStove, we have 37% equity right now. The pot is laying 2:1. In FR, I normally call here and fold unimproved.

Hand 2: easy call. closing the action, play for set value.

Hand 3: depending on reads, I think arguments can be made for calling and re-raising

Hand 4: call. why push him off his trash hand? I want the chance to flop a set and stack him.

[Isura]

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All,

I think that calling in hand 4 for purely set value is wrong.

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you suggest reraising more often then calling then?

I dont like playing this hand OOP and against a wide range, you dont know where you at. Either way i think you have to lead the flop though or c/r maybe a strong line?

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It's okay to call, but I try be aggressive on flops where I can represent a lot of hands (combo draws and stuff), or very dry flops that are unlikely to have hit villain. Most tags just give up in these situations if you don't play back at them too often.

[quarkncover]

*grunch*

I 3-bet every hand but hand 2.

[Pokey]

To everyone advocating reraising with ANY of these hands:

Position is king in SSNL. Why would you build a pot preflop and OOP with a speculative hand against a player who plays "an aggressive smart post-flop style"? You've got the odds to call in these situations, but to me these don't seem like reraising hands without position. A decent reraise would be bumping it to $10 to $12. Let's say we make it $10. I assume we're also planning to c-bet any flop, yeah? That's $15 more. We've now committed 1/4 of our stack with a highly speculative hand and with no idea where we stand. Someone who is aggressive and smart postflop could easily float us and steal a quarter of our stack on the turn, or slowplay us and take even more of our stack when they hit.

Being OOP sucks hot sweaty monkey balls. Given that we're going to be OOP against a smart AND aggressive opponent, I see no reason to bloat this pot with a speculative hand. If he were a total nimrod, raising would be more reasonable, especially with the AQ hands; as it stands, I'm really just wanting to see a flop before I start throwing in big fractions of my stack on these hands.

[Big_Jim]

Fold.
Call.
Re-raise or Call.
Fold or Re-raise. Calling sucks with this one, unless we are going to be bluffing him a lot, we have crappy implied odds.

[Big_Jim]

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All,

I think that calling in hand 4 for purely set value is wrong.

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Missed this. You are right.

[DMBFan23]

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LOLOLOL

too bad I don't know what to do with the hands. I probably call the pairs for set value but it doesnt seem that's right

[Pokey]

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I think that calling in hand 4 for purely set value is wrong.

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Missed this. You are right.

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We're throwing $2.50 into a pot that will has $5, with an opponent who is going to c-bet us virtually 100% of the time when we hit our set (that should be an extra $6-$7.50). That's giving us a pretty solid look at 5-to-1 odds, plus anything we can squeeze out of him after that. Set draws are 7.5-to-1 against, so if we can grab an extra $10 out of him on the turn and/or river, we're making a profit. After his c-bet and our call, we'll have a pot with $20ish; I think our implied odds are just fine here.

[ValarMorghulis]

Hand 4 is the toughest methinks (on reflection).

Reraising practically turns it into 72 off. You're not thinking about the strength of the hand, you're re-raising basing on the crappiness of opponents hand. (You expect to win without showdown either preflop or with a CB.) 33 likes implied odds and they are being substanially reduced by raising.

You're not throwing away money by folding it. Playing it for set value is possibly close to neutral EV. (You only win the pot + a CB most of the time.)

I like calling, with the intention of folding sometimes, hitting a set sometimes, and stealing the pot sometimes? (Note that you'll often be stealing the pot with the best hand)

[Paul Thomson]

This was a quiz that tested your knowledge of Implied / Reverse-Implied Odds. Now I'm know genius and have only recently begun thinking about these concepts deeply.

I tried to create a quiz that hid which concepts I was trying to emphasize to see how people would respond. At the same time, I think it’s quite interesting how implied odds and reverse implied odds can have a counter intuitive logic.

Implied odds has a significant effect in all rounds of play. Although people often take them into consideration when figuring out how to play a draw, this concept is often over-looked preflop.

Some player simply think about the strength of their hand versus their opponents range. Instead it’s more beneficial to think how the hand is likely to play out (implied odds) given the relative strength of your hand vs your opponents range. Let’s see how this can be applied to the hands I posted.

Hand 1: FOLD. You are behind compared to his range. You have poor Reverse Implied Odds, even if you hit your Ace you’re likely to be behind or splitting the pot. It’ll be hard to get value out of your hand, since you’re OOP.

Hand 2: CALL. You have GOOD Implied Odds. If you hit your set, then you’re likely to be up against a strong hand by your opponent. Therefore, you can stack him.

Hand 3: RERAISE. Since it’s 6max, I think a reraise is the best play. However, I think the next best play is to fold. It’s hard to play hands oop against strong opponents. But since you’re hand is so much stronger than his range and since he plays a lot of Aces, you have good implied odds. The point of the reraise is to win it there or take control of the hand on the flop.

Hand 4: FOLD. You have Poor Implied Odds. Even though your hand is stronger than his range. It’ll be hard to play this hand oop against the opponent if you don’t flop a set. At the same time, even if you do flop a set, you’re unlikely to get paid-off since most flops miss your opponent.

Why it can be hard to grasp. You fold AQo and call with 33 against a strong range. You ReRaise with AQo and fold with 33 against a loose range.