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04-27-2006, 11:36 PM
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Re: TT -- Tremendous or Terrible
He very well might be but it's a chance I'm willing to take.
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#12
04-28-2006, 03:24 AM
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Re: TT -- Tremendous or Terrible
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I can see good reasoning for all streets. Preflop - good, get more info Flop - nice to see where you're at, I'm assuming you're trying to find out if you are gonna turn unimproved -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah if he 3-bets I need to spike something on the turn to continue with the hand. [/ QUOTE ] I think I've been misplaying hands like this against this type of opponent. From what I understand EMP preflop capper isnt a maniac. When this type of opponent caps in the type of situation described, in my experience it seems to generally always be a bigger pocket pair than tens. That or a hand like AK. I myself would only cap here with AKs. My standard line in these cases is to roll my eyes and call down, assuming that an ace or a king never hits. But now I'm beggining to think that line might suck. Is the consensus to find at if you are against a bigger pocket pair here by raising the flop? I'm assuming he wont go nuts here on this fairly drawish board with AK and 3-bet you. This hand makes me think that my standard calldown line in such scenarios is incorrect?
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#13
04-28-2006, 05:09 AM
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Re: TT -- Tremendous or Terrible
A'ight... can we give EMP a range of hands after he donks the turn?
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#14
04-28-2006, 05:20 AM
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Re: TT -- Tremendous or Terrible
After he donk the turn I think he very likely has you beaten -- it could be a scared/wierd QQ (waiting for a safe turn), a reasonably well played set that doesnt want to lose the LP just yet, or perhaps the AK spades.
After he fails to 3-bet, we can rule out the set hands, so it looks like QQ or AK spades to me. I probably play this hand the same as you, but I'm not sure about the turn. You get 3-bet here at least some portion of the tiem.
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#15
04-28-2006, 07:10 AM
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Re: TT -- Tremendous or Terrible
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A'ight... can we give EMP a range of hands after he donks the turn? [/ QUOTE ] qq followed by kk imo. after he donks the turn i dont think you are winning very often if at all, unless he has ak of spades, but that would be pretty retarded unless he was going to 3-bet you with it. the combination of the unlikelyhood of you having the best hand and you getting 3bet is too much heat to stand especially since you have to call the 3bet.
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#17
04-28-2006, 09:39 AM
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Re: TT -- Tremendous or Terrible
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A'ight... can we give EMP a range of hands after he donks the turn? [/ QUOTE ] With a different turn card that doesn't give you the OESD I would consider folding. As is I think the turn raise is pretty bad. I call and call again with the fishy overlay. Krishan
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#19
04-28-2006, 01:04 PM
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Results
EMP also had TT and the other dude had K3. So we had a profitable chop. I really, really, really felt at the time like he in fact had the other TT, and that I should bet the river as a valuebluff of sorts, but didn't pull the trigger.
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#20
04-28-2006, 01:18 PM
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Re: TT -- Tremendous or Terrible
I like the flop play. You want to find out where you stand. On the turn, I dunno if I like this raise here. Although it does get you a free showdown.
In this situation, I would expect EMP to have QQ, KK, or AA and maybe he got a little scared when you raised the turn. What hand did you put the fish on? The fish calling the raise, would scare me from making this play. You played the river perfect.
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