TT -- Tremendous or Terrible

[Nate tha\\\' Great]

30/60. A tightish unknown limps UTG, EMP raises, huge loose passive fish (like 79/1) cold calls, I 3-bet in the CO with T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], UTG calls, EMP caps, we all call.

EMP is a regular in this game who plays at about a 25/13. I have the vague impression that he plays a little bit strangely but that's not terribly substantive and I don't think we've gotten involved in too many confrontations.

Anyway the flop is 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. EMP bets, fish calls, I raise, UTG folds, EMP calls, fish calls again.

Turn is the 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. EMP leads out, fish calls, I raise, they both call.

River is the 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Check, check, check.

Curious about all three postflop streets.

[RED_RAIN]

I can see good reasoning for all streets.

Preflop - good, get more info
Flop - nice to see where you're at, I'm assuming you're trying to find out if you are gonna turn unimproved
Turn - I don't mind, but don't hate, if you think you can get free showdown sure
River - I don't see much value here

Only thing, I really don't think we win too often, but if we do, this is how

[Nate tha\\\' Great]

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I can see good reasoning for all streets.

Preflop - good, get more info
Flop - nice to see where you're at, I'm assuming you're trying to find out if you are gonna turn unimproved

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Yeah if he 3-bets I need to spike something on the turn to continue with the hand.

[daveT]

All the streets are fine. Good check through on the river.

[tl65\]

I like a call on the flop, planning on raising a good turn card. EMP and the fish are already in the pot, so it's not like you're going to thin the field. Also, a ton of bad cards can come on the turn to kill your equity and if you get a gutshot or something, its not likely going to be checked to you again.

I'm not sure i like the turn 3-bet either. EMP has shown a lot of strength. He probably isnt going to continue betting AK on such a draw heavy board. Also, you've got the fish to worry about... I think it's likely we're ahead of him, but not that likely. That combined with the strength EMP has shown makes me think a call is better. Also, it really sucks to get 3-bet.

No way you can bet the river after the turn raise.

[DeathDonkey]

With the fish in the hand I think there is value in a river bet.

-DeathDonkey

[private joker]

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With the fish in the hand I think there is value in a river bet.

-DeathDonkey

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What range of hands do you put EMP on? The read is that he isn't manaical. He's capping PF and leading the flop and stop-n-go'ing on the turn. He'll never fold a better hand -- and even if the fish will call with a worse one, EMP always has us beat here when he calls.

[MacGuyV]

Don't think I understand the turn raise. It's a weird stop & go if he has a worse pair or overcards and I don't see a better hand folding and getting 3bet would suck.

[luckychewy]

Turn raise is fine he gets a free showdown because of it, and he kinda disguises his hand if he gets there.

[MacGuyV]

What about when it doesn't get a free showdown? Is he never trying to bet/3bet?