Help needed with typical overpair situation...

[Supesimmo]

The last two tournaments I played in, I have been eliminated in very similar ways:

E.g.

I'm dealt 10 10, I raise 3xBB, and somebody else mini-raises me. At this point, I become suspicious he has Kings/Aces, but call regardless.

Then the flop typically comes something like 3 rags, and I bet a standard amount, which he calls. The turn is a rag too, so I push, even though I'm virtually sure he has a higher overpair.

He promptly calls and turns over Kings.

In these situations, should I just go with my initial read and only continue if I hit my set?

I think its more of a psychological thing tbh, I just can't seem to fold when the flop is 3 undercards.

Any advice?

[TightIsRight]

This is a very typical tournament mistake. Basically, you should always fold an overpair. Think about it: even if he has 2 unpaired cards, he can still runner-runner you and you get knocked out. That's why I would advise a fold in these spots NO MATTER WHAT. Be patient and wait for the nuts (i.e., don't be a stupid donkey-fish-sucker)

[Supesimmo]

Anyone whos not a complete arse?

[C.J.]

these types of hands are usually hard to get away from. i make my decision based on the following factors:

-what kind of tournament im playing (deep stack, turbo, etc)
-my stack in comparison with the blinds
-my opponents stack in comparison with my own
-my opponents image
-my image

if i'm sitting pretty in chips and i get raised by an equal or larger stack, i'll go with my gut and fold my overpair.

however, if i'm falling below average stack, or i'm playing a turbo then i'm perfectly willing to shove my chips in with an overpair.

i think your play was fine, but it's hard to say for sure because you really didn't provide accurate details.

[Rocco]

Of course it all depends on any reads you might have on your opponent, but generally I'll take this line. Check-call a reasonable bet. Check again on turn, and if he fires out, you can safely lay down. Say you put him on 60% big pair and 40% AK/AQ. Now, while many people automatically continuation bet the flop, far fewer people have the guts to fire a second barrel when turn also misses.

Or, if you feel the need to be the aggressor, apply some pot control to get a cheap showdown. Go for probe bets instead of your standard bets, and if he raise, you can safely fold.

[andre006]

i think those raise are almost always jj or better. put yourself in his position and ask yourself with what kind of hands would you make this raise?
min raise is usually ment to build a pot(and see the strength of your opponent).
unless you've seen him act crazy before it's wiser IMO to let it go even though it's still a tough laydown
best of luck

[Rickyroodido]

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I think its more of a psychological thing tbh, I just can't seem to fold when the flop is 3 undercards.


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Pretend that they are 3 overcards.

[Supesimmo]

Thanks everyone, suppose it wasn't the worst play in the world after all.

I like the "pretend they're overcards" tip-might just try that in future.

[volcano1976]

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This is a very typical tournament mistake. Basically, you should always fold an overpair. Think about it: even if he has 2 unpaired cards, he can still runner-runner you and you get knocked out. That's why I would advise a fold in these spots NO MATTER WHAT. Be patient and wait for the nuts (i.e., don't be a stupid donkey-fish-sucker)

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This is a the most horrible advise i had ever heard.

[rockin]

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This is a very typical tournament mistake. Basically, you should always fold an overpair. Think about it: even if he has 2 unpaired cards, he can still runner-runner you and you get knocked out. That's why I would advise a fold in these spots NO MATTER WHAT. Be patient and wait for the nuts (i.e., don't be a stupid donkey-fish-sucker)

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This is a the most horrible advise i had ever heard.

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It's pretty solid adviCe. Geez, read a book once in a while.