a 200-400 AK hand - Page 4

samoleus · #31 04-22-2006, 04:08 PM

that is really a function of the flop isn't it? ... if the opponent and situation is right, I will check-raise after reraising with 22 on an ace high flop. ... I just think that given the fact that you are out of position, a check-raise on the flop with AK provides the best risk-reward.

MDMA · #32 04-22-2006, 04:21 PM

Hmm, so basically you're making pretty much all your possible holdings in this spot into bluffs? [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] I don't like the fact that we would lose pretty much all value that AK has got here. Generally I would just accept that for players like you and bldswttrs, raising in spots where it would be just plain bad for a TAG-player to raise does make a lot more sense.

In this case, however, when you state that, if called on your check-raise you would not invest any more money, I cannot really see the idea behind it. It would have made more sense for a samoleus-kind-of-player to checkraise with weaker holdings for value in spots where it would be suicide for the "normal" tag (e.g a standard bad move of making all worse hands fold and all better call), because he's prone to be on air so much of the time and thus will extract more value when he really does have a hand that is part of his stronger spektrum.

HotPants · #33 04-22-2006, 04:23 PM

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that is really a function of the flop isn't it?

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sure is. Assume, I dunno, say a flop of A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

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I just think that given the fact that you are out of position, a check-raise on the flop with AK provides the best risk-reward.

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would you agree then that if checkraising the flop here with AK 'provides the best risk-reward', with the plan of comfortably giving up on the hand if called, then you should be checkraising all hands worse than AK on the flop here too?

spino1i · #34 04-22-2006, 04:32 PM

"I check planning to c/r all-in on the turn" - You better hope he doesnt have KQ or QJ of hearts or a small suited connector of hearts, or QQ or AQ, cuz its gonna suck lol

Kassem D. · #35 04-22-2006, 06:11 PM

i appreciate some of the thoughts presented in this thread.

however i thought this hand was of more interest and would generate some more interesting discussion.

it is in interesting spot flopping TPTK w/ AK in a re-raised pot out of position against a very active player.

Alex Jacob · #36 04-22-2006, 06:19 PM

is this a gimmick acct or real?

if real, was the player nick or brad?

Alex Jacob · #37 04-22-2006, 06:22 PM

nevermind, must be fake, still in the tourney

#38 04-22-2006, 06:42 PM

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i appreciate some of the thoughts presented in this thread.

however i thought this hand was of more interest and would generate some more interesting discussion.

it is in interesting spot flopping TPTK w/ AK in a re-raised pot out of position against a very active player.

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i would happily get it all in there

samoleus · #39 04-22-2006, 06:55 PM

no way - that is way too much of a blanket statement. also you are neglecting the large amount of equity when your opponent calls the checkraise with AJ suited or a heart draw and it goes check-check on turn and river.

HotPants · #40 04-22-2006, 07:02 PM

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also you are neglecting the large amount of equity when your opponent calls the checkraise with AJ suited or a heart draw and it goes check-check on turn and river.

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well, I wasn't so much neglecting it as trying to figure out how much you valued it. I would have thought the turn and river check-check equity to be small, hence my questions