With smart management, how long would it take for Knicks to get good?

[Aloysius]

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As if the president of one team could possibly know exactly what 30 other teams would do. Nice name drop though.
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Francis and Marbury are both 29. Both their contracts expires end of 2008/09 season. Franchise is ~$16M and Marbury's more expensive at ~$20M per season. They have both proven to be headcases to some extent, and the knock on them is they are PGs who don't make their teammates better, right?

What are possible trade scenarios for these guys?

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[James282]

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As if the president of one team could possibly know exactly what 30 other teams would do. Nice name drop though.
-James

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Francis and Marbury are both 29. Both their contracts expires end of 2008/09 season. Franchise is ~$16M and Marbury's more expensive at ~$20M per season. They have both proven to be headcases to some extent, and the knock on them is they are PGs who don't make their teammates better, right?

What are possible trade scenarios for these guys?

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I'm not saying one way or the other whether I think they will be traded - I'm simply saying it's ridiculous to assume that 1 person, no matter what position they may hold, could possibly know exactly what 30 other competitors would do in ANY given scenario.
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James,

I think it's asanine to think that no one would trade for francis or marbury. However, to think that the knicks will get anything of value for either of these players is very wishful thinking.

[FUJItheFISH]

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If the Knicks suddenly got smart - or changed management to really smart people - how long do you think it would take for them to field a competitive team, i.e., a team that would make the playoffs and have at least the prospect of contending in the following couple of years?

Keep in mind that, not only don't they have a first round pick this year, there is a good chance they will not have a high one next year either (as Chicago has the right to swap picks).

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either 6 years or until the majority of the team's starters experience family tragedies that start a fire inside their hearts and make them want to compete and win.

whichever comes first,
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[MEbenhoe]

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Is there any realistic chance that they could get decent (young) value for Marbury and/or Francis?

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA.

sorry---these guys are pretty much untradeables at this point. the fact that the magic went on a massive hot streak after getting rid of francis won't help his cause either.

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See, this just isn't true. What would really help the Knicks (if they got smart management) is that there are A TON of stupid GMs out there. I mean, if you and I were GMs, then the aforementioned would be untradeable. But we aren't GMs. Morons are. As such, they are tradeable.

It'd be like poker. The new knicks management would just have to take advantage of the other GMs moronitude. They could be the 5/6 seed in 2008.

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Actually, sorry but it is true. A friend of mine's uncle is President of an NBA team (which will remain unnamed for obvious reasons), and in conversation about the Knicks has said that there is absolutely not a single team in the NBA right now who would take on Marbury's or Francis' contract even if you paid them too.

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As if the president of one team could possibly know exactly what 30 other teams would do. Nice name drop though.
-James

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do you seriously think these guys don't all talk on a regular basis? do you seriously think that isiah and the knicks aren't the laughingstock of the other nba teams right now?

if you actually believe either of those, you're very mistaken.

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Francis and Marbury are both 29. Both their contracts expires end of 2008/09 season. Franchise is ~$16M and Marbury's more expensive at ~$20M per season.

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Earlier, I asked if anyone knew of a complete list of the Knicks' contractual obligations. I'll try searching it, but thought I'd repeat the question in case anyone mentioned it.

[MEbenhoe]

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Is there any realistic chance that they could get decent (young) value for Marbury and/or Francis?

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA.

sorry---these guys are pretty much untradeables at this point. the fact that the magic went on a massive hot streak after getting rid of francis won't help his cause either.

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Yeah, I liked the Francis trade because it was something for nothing, but to trade either it's going to be for another similar over priced player (Zach Randolph, Theo Ratliffesque)

Maybe Stevie for AI? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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you actually liked the francis trade? you liked the fact that the knicks unloaded expiring contracts for another huge salary hit? I think Isiah might have a job for you.

[KDawg]

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For a special bonus question, tell me whether you think there's any chance the current management will do the right thing, and if not, how long before Dolan finds people who can and will?

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the dolans still run the craphole that is cablevision, do u really think that they will run the knicks any better?

in all honesty, this is a team that has heaps of problems and has historically over the past 8 years given big contracts to guys who aren't worth it(ie grandma ma and allen houston). They also have the problem with not having any decent pick for the next two years of which will probably be high picks that the bulls will have. The team is an utter mess and I don't see it getting any better. No team that is in contention would want the headaches that are jamal crawford, steve francis, and stephon marbury. While I voted for 5 years, it really could be 7+ years for everything to finally get sorted out, especially with them losing the chance at getting any of the top players in this year's draft and having a shot at Noah and Big Baby next year. This is a team with zero chemistry, so to say that they have a chance at 40 wins is silly IMO. How are they really going to get help this off season, they have little cap room and will be losing players and they have to stay with this lineup for the most part, so how is a team that just won 23 games this season going to be able to pick up another 17, I just don't see it. Face it, the knicks are screwed for a while and its not gonna change with how things currently are

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Earlier, I asked if anyone knew of a complete list of the Knicks' contractual obligations. I'll try searching it, but thought I'd repeat the question in case anyone mentioned it.

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Ask twice and ye shall receive.

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

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I just noticed the Curry deal isn't on there. I believe he signed for 6 years and 56 million.

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Also, wasn't the gameplan/motivation thing supposed to happen this year? The composition of this team is beyond repair by any coach out there.

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Maybe, maybe not. Sometimes it doesn't click in year one, especially when you have rookies in your core and you make several key trades midseason. Everyone is crying doom because a young team with a new coach and new players had a bad (terrible) season. I say wait and see.

What I was referring to is the talent on the team, which is pretty good. I admit that they probably won't put it all together, but if they did, they would be a near .500 team.