77 - Truepoker 2/4 - Rivered Full House

[MainEvent]

Okay, this seems really easy at first glance and perhaps it is but I'd like some thoughts.

I don't have stats on these players but most people on this site are moderately loose-very passive pre-flop while being some what tight-passive post flop.

One loose limper to me on the button, I raise 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. BB Calls

Flop: Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Checks to me, I bet . Both players call.

Turn: J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Checks to me, I check

River: 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
BB checks, MP bets. I do what?

If it's an easy raise, tell me how many people acting behind me there need to be before I just call this in hopes of overcalls. Remember, these players are pretty tight passive postflop.

[Harv72b]

I raise. If the bettor is that tight passive, I might flat call with two players behind me, probably would with 3 or more. The thing is, though, you really need loose/passives behind you to go for overcalls on this kind of board--there are not a whole lot of hands that a good postflop player will overcall with.

If you get 3-bet, though, you're probably beat, and I really hate to raise/fold to a 3-bet on the river. But I think he pays off more than enough with trip queens/pair of jacks/straight/3 pair to justify the raise.

[Mygtar]

I would raise the river as I don't think the BB overcalls, but the MP will call or re-raise.

As far as overcalls is concerned I don't think that it is cut and dry i.e. more than 2 go for overcall less than 2 raise. It is dependent on several conditions, one of them being how many people are yet to act, size of the pot, final board, what the betting was, and reads on the specific players.

Good luck,
Mygtar

[why4duck]

I raise. The player behind you was scared of the flop and the turn, and is going to fold. If you raise you're almost sure to get a call from the original bettor. If there's more than one potential caller behind you should take the overcalls and be worried if there's any frisky action back there -- but don't you dare make a big fold. Be ready for it though...everyone loves to slowplay, even the loose passive players, and Q7x is usually their favorite hand.

[Bob T.]

With bottom full, on a board that contains straight and or flush possibilities, I raise all the time, and don't worry about the possible number of overcallers. Anyone with AK is going to come along, the same with K9, and in this situation, I have even seen hands like 98 call two. Even if you get raised, I don't necessarily think that you are behind, AK, might be playing you for a worse straight or trips ( it is 2-4 ).

I think the tight passiveness that you see on true is not a style of play that they adopt, but it is in a large part due to the looseness that you see preflop. They fold alot, because they just completely missed, and they also don't value bet one pair very hard, because the games play so loose that you really need two pair before you feel secure.

In this case, you bet the flop, and both players DID call, so they must have some values, and you are more likely to get overcalls even though they might not have real good values for this board.

I also think that if you play a typical 2+2 style on true, your opponents will be a little extra loose passive dealing with you postflop, (at least that seems to be my experience) because you are making so many more bets than any of your other opponents, that they are suspicious, but at the same time, they don't want to get into a raising war with you. Your image, is probably not that of a maniac, but you are probably considered a LAG by most of your opponents there.

Good luck,
Play well,

Bob T.

[Duerig]

I don't go for overcalls when my hand is this strong. Part of the reason I go for overcalls is because I don't like the idea of the original bettor making it 3 bets behind me. Here I'm happy to cap the river.