3/6 flop question

Percussion · #1 04-16-2006, 09:09 PM

this seems like a pretty simple situation but I was just wondering

Who raises flop? who 3bets this PF?

If you are raised on the flop, who caps to try to get the free card again?

villian is 15/7 weak tight player

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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 2 folds, Hero calls, 3 folds.

Flop: (5.33 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero ?

ncboiler · #2 04-16-2006, 10:24 PM

Raise PF ...raise the flop. If he is really weak I think you gain some fold equity by raising the flop and you do have nut flush draw to go with it.

Ubertom · #3 04-16-2006, 10:29 PM

I think preflop is close - given villain's stats and probable range you're behind most of the time here. Your hand plays well multiway here, so I think just calling is ok to see if you get a favorable flop, it's not necessary to get heads up. Flop is a definite raise, as you could potentially take the pot down here if he'll fold ak/aq and I probably cap as well if 3 bet.

JoeyFrogs · #4 04-16-2006, 10:30 PM

I don't see a problem with calling from the CO. Can someone explain to me the concept of fold equity and its application here? Seeing as this guy is tight, I feel that I can steal the pot from him with a raise on the turn (when he misses the flop).

I raise the flop with the nut flush draw. PFR of 7 seems pretty standard so we can narrow his holdings down. If he reraises (since he is weak tight) we have a good idea whether where we stand with this hand (and our 3 A outs).

This is just my approach, I am interested in hearing what others think.

dano · #5 04-16-2006, 10:42 PM

From the CO against a 15/7, I'm folding this preflop or 3-betting. If I want to bring the blinds and button along, I'd cold-call.

Raise/call the flop. cap sometimes.

Harv72b · #6 04-16-2006, 11:20 PM

[grunch]

The coldcall preflop is iffy; I don't like 3-betting vs. an EP raise from a 15/7 player, but I think this is probably a fold given your position and no other players in the pot yet. If you have some loose players behind you, particularly in the blinds, then I like coldcalling. Understand that AQs looks all sexy & everything, but against this player you're probably drawing to 3 outs (plus whatever equity you gain from your flush potential).

Given the preflop coldcall & villain's weak/tight potential, I definitely like raising the flop, and I also like capping it if 3-bet. I like this for two reasons--first of all, because capping is very likely to get you the free card unless he has JJ exactly (or an overpair that turns into a set on the turn), and second of all, because a weak/tight player is going to go into a shell if you call his bet and another diamond falls at any point in the hand. There is always the good possibility that he folds AK if you raise, especially if you follow up with a turn bet.

I'm going to guess that you did in fact cap the flop with your draw and then catch the flush against his set, provoking some comments by a table coach?

[/grunch]

ThomasPHoolery · #7 04-17-2006, 09:47 AM

On the prefrop play:

If you plan to suck post flop, fold.

If you plan to play okay post flop, raise.

If you plan to play really effin' well post flop, call.

AQs vs an early position raise often puts you in situations where you have to make very marginal, very tough decisions post-flop. You'll get different responses on what to do preflop, and I really think "it depends." Since you're even considering doing anything except raising this flop, I think a call is the worst possible line preflop.

SantaFeSlim · #8 04-17-2006, 03:23 PM

New to the forum, with a newbie question:

please explain "15/7 player"

TIA.

Harv72b · #9 04-17-2006, 03:36 PM

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please explain "15/7 player"

TIA.

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PokerTracker speak. He voluntarily puts money into the pot (either calls or raises preflop) 15% of the time and raises preflop 7%. A good tight/aggressive player will typically have numbers in the 18/12 range.

W. Deranged · #10 04-17-2006, 08:03 PM

For what it's worth I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] cold-calling here for a lot of reasons.

1. Your hand does so well against big fields that you kind of want others calling behind you.

2. Your relative position to the pre-flop raiser is such that, on a flop that you want to protect, you can do so.

So, you can basically call now with the intent of "isolating" on the flop rather than pre-flop.

So it's definitely something to be considered. KQs and AJs I'll also play like this but I probably would chuck both here considering that the raise came from UTG. (But I might consider cold-calling against, say, a 23/11 raiser from MP1 or something).

Post-flop raising is very much the best play. And I would go ahead and cap if you're three-bet, because you almost always have at least 12 outs and the free card is going to be sweet.