Stars 150 Hand - HCPB

[Fireball_AA]

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I call the flop and push any turn.

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Can you explain why you would do that? What do you accomplish?

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Can you first please explain what the hell you were saying in the post I quoted? It made no sense, you contradicted yourself.

Also, my turn push is HIGHLY dependant on his actions, because he acts first. Villian's range is pretty much any 2 from the SB, and he could have junk on this continuation bet.

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I've re-write my post to try to make it clearer. I don't want 2 overs to stay in so I push.

Then I tried to explain in what situation you want him to stay in with overs, but in this case the pot is too big to be in the "extract chips" mode. Also, I don't see myself folding on this flop therefore I would push instead of building a huge pot and facing a hard decision on the turn.

[Ian J]

Hi Chief,

I don't know what to make of your preflop play. You seem a bit too deep to just dump it all in right there, but calling seems kinda goofy with such a difficult hand to play postflop. I might just fold, nasty as that may be. Raising to 12k or so and pushing all flops when he checks is certainly viable.

On the flop, I think the people saying call are just out of line. You simply can't call here, and you can't fold, so just stick it in there and hope for the best. Fireball is right, two overs ginning the turn on you and then you're stuck w/ one pot sized bet is just sick. We want him to fold KQ here. Who cares if he plays perfectly? If he can beat this hand in a BvB, then so be it. Just don't give any free looks in this spot.

[MLG]

Im with Ian J on this flop. While we let him play perfectly by jamming, there's just to big a chance we make a mistake on the turn (while he can still play perfectly).

[uclabruinz]

Because he's tight and we don't have any BvB history, I'm going to give his preflop raise credit here and fold (reluctantly). We know he's coming in with a bet post-flop and there's really no flop where we feel comfortable outside of flopping 2 pairs plus. If I had any read of him as an aggressive blind stealer, I'd jam preflop.

But given your call, I think you have to shove. It's too awkward to let a turn card come.

[NoahSD]

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Im with Ian J on this flop. While we let him play perfectly by jamming, there's just to big a chance we make a mistake on the turn (while he can still play perfectly).

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I like that way of putting it.

[Dhani]

Reraise to t12000 and wait for a response.
We can't afford to let a heart drop or who knows what SB has.

[Dhani]

I don't like that . We want to find out is he has a legitimate hand or not. If he pushes all in against our flop re raise, then we have a decision earlier rather than possibly wasting chips.

[Chief911]

Ian (And everyone),

I think you best put after I went through and postmortem'd the hand. It was such an awkward stack hand. I mean, with 10xBB, its pretty good time to push. But with that many BB, pushing seems like a pretty bad play. And as you and MLG said, it allows him to play perfect.

Regardless of results, I really think folding preflop is best. I had a great image, so stealing had not been problematic. Instead I ended up playing a big pot with A7.

Thank you again for all who put real thought into their replies. There will be another HCPB Saturday night. Thanks again.

Nick

p.s. For those of you wanting results, think of the LEAST optimal way to play the hand, and that's the line I took. Call flop bet, check behind on the turn, call river bet. I suck.

Nick