Stars 150 Hand - HCPB

Chief911 · #1 04-14-2006, 02:28 PM

This is another hand from the Help Chief Play Better (hcpb) series.

We are down to probably 15 or so. I have been very tight, and have a good image. Villian in this hand has been somewhat tight as well, and we had not had a BvB battle at all. Then this hand comes up.

I think there were three critical points in this hand, and one made the next one worse. But would like opinions on each street. I'll start with the flop. Its certianly debatable that I could/should have raised/folded preflop, but I dont feel like that was one of the big problems I had in this hand.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1500 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t26635)
SB (t38221)
Hero (t31741)
UTG (t25542)
MP1 (t18492)
MP2 (t10410)
CO (t15615)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
5 folds, SB raises to t4700, Hero calls t3200.

Flop: (t8350) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t6500, Hero.....

mlagoo · #2 04-14-2006, 02:30 PM

I would have pushed preflop, but given that you have no history with him, calling seems reasonable.

I can't imagine anything other than just calling being correct on this flop. Raising is kamikaze, folding is w/t.

Fireball_AA · #3 04-14-2006, 02:34 PM

If you call the flop, the pot is 21050 and you will have 20,541. It will also be very hard to lay down later, therefore I fold or push and in this case I push.

Why do you call preflop? I want to understand your thinking? Unless you hit an Ace, you won't know where you really stand and get to play a big pot against another big stack.

I am not sure raising preflop is better...

JSchnett · #4 04-14-2006, 02:45 PM

what kind of a player was he?

on average i shove pf or shove the flop

mlagoo · #5 04-14-2006, 02:49 PM

Doesn't shoving the flop allow villian to play perfectly?

I mean maybe he calls us with 87 every now and again.

Is it because this board has the potential for a fair amount of draws? I tend to not worry about them as much when HU, but maybe that's a mistake?

Fireball_AA · #6 04-14-2006, 04:49 PM

What is he has KQ? or any 2 overs? He is not likely to put any more money in the pot unless he improves to a better hand. If you just call on the flop you are giving him a free card (you don't make him pay an additionnal price). The pot = your stack if you call, therefore it is a huge pot and you don't need to extract more money.

You WOULD want him to stay in and put more bet when you have deeper stack and vilain is likely to bet again on the turn.

I tried to make it clear...

NinjaMan · #7 04-14-2006, 04:54 PM

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What is he has KQ? or any 2 overs? Is not likely not to put any more money in the pot unless he hits, therefore by just calling the flop you are giving him a free card. The pot = your stack if you call, therefore it is a huge pot and you don't want to try to extract more money.

You want him to stay in and put more bet when you have deeper stack and vilain is likely to bet again on the turn.

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I have no idea what the hell you are saying. It seems you've contradicted yourself, but I can't even really tell.

I call the flop and push any turn.

flopking · #8 04-14-2006, 05:22 PM

there is just a gigantic range that villain could have here and your stack isn't deep enough to find out without becoming pot committed...

I would have either folded pf or pushed, and with your view of villain as tight, I'm inclined to fold...

I'm folding the flop as well, and I don't care if it's weak because I enjoy favorable position in a few hands with the perfect size stacks to pick on...

Fireball_AA · #9 04-14-2006, 05:44 PM

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I call the flop and push any turn.

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Can you explain why you would do that? What do you accomplish?

NinjaMan · #10 04-14-2006, 05:52 PM

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I call the flop and push any turn.

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Can you explain why you would do that? What do you accomplish?

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Can you first please explain what the hell you were saying in the post I quoted? It made no sense, you contradicted yourself.

Also, my turn push is HIGHLY dependant on his actions, because he acts first. Villian's range is pretty much any 2 from the SB, and he could have junk on this continuation bet.